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 Post subject: Re: Greek Army 1940-41
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 18:02 pm 
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Good evening all.i am following this with interest and have a question on sub machine guns.i believe these were not used much by either side but what would be the one to get thanks phill


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 Post subject: Re: Greek Army 1940-41
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 19:37 pm 
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Hi Phill38, the Greek Army didn't had sub machine guns in the Albanian front ,but in the eastern Macedonia (Metaxas line) there were issued 900 Thompson M 1928 A1 from british aid , there were and a few Solothurn Steyr S1-100 but they were mainly issued to the police.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 0:21 am 
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Gio wrote:
Hi Phill38, the Greek Army didn't had sub machine guns in the Albanian front ,but in the eastern Macedonia (Metaxas line) there were issued 900 Thompson M 1928 A1 from british aid , there were and a few Solothurn Steyr S1-100 but they were mainly issued to the police.


Plus captured Italian Beretta Modello 38, and Lanchesters which were exclusively used by the Navy.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:39 am 
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Well noted.thanks


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 15:06 pm 
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I managed to take some photos of the complete kit, for your reference.
Everything here is either Greek made or French made, as issued to the Greek
Army. You will notice, in reference to an earlier debate, that no matter
how much I tried, the woolen items in the photos come out brown or grey!
Bear in mind that in reality pre-war and post war Greek-made uniform cloth is
on average darker and greener than contemporary British battledress,
but it is possible that imported British serge was also used in the 40-41 period.

There are no specific 'models' in the Greek
nomenclature, but I put the year of introduction in 'commas' for information.
What we have here is:

1 Tunic type '1908/37'
1 pair Pantaloons type '1908'
1 Helmet '1934' first model (dark green)
1 double prong belt type '1937'
3 double Mannlicher Pouches type '1915'
1 pair French '1916' braces
1 type 1916' breadbag
1 French 1893/1914 backpack with blanket
1 water bottle type '1937'
1 pair of French '1916' brodequins
1 pair of long woolen puttees '1912'
pair woolen socks
1903/14 Mannlicher-Schoenauer 6.5mm rifle
1903 short Mannlicher-Schoenauer bayonet with its frog

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s kit 1940 (1).jpg

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The above are pretty standard, but there are many alternatives
e.g. the simplified c1940 tunic shown earlier made of lighter material,
the older 1903 M-S rifle, 1903, 1914 or 1930 M-S carbines,
the long 1914 M-S bayonet, various Gras-Conversion bayonets,
the 1930 FN Mauser with its long bayonet,
WW1 Mauser triple-pouches, French 1916 pouches, one-prong belts,
a couple of variants of Greek backpack, an earlier c1916 water bottle,
the later 1934/39 helmet which is painted a lighter khaki etc.
WW1 British Brodies and French Adrian 1915 without the grenade painted
a variety of khaki to dark green were also used and at least three
variants of side cap (c1916, c1935, c1940).


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 15:12 pm 
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More uploads.

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:shock: I'm speechless!!!
Very very well done!

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:shock: I'm speechless!!!
Very very well done!



Ευχαριστω

10 years of very slow collecting....


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I was about to make a comment on the helmets as well. ;) About the British ones. Was gonna be my possible way around a Greek one. lol. But looks great. Something to aspire to. :D


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Some great work Σύντροφος a most impressive scale of issue.

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So what about Waltham Abbey RGPM VE weekend,
is anyone going there? We could catch up in the flesh
if I manage to be invited by the Mediterraneo.


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Don't think I'm attending that one I'm afraid. Will let you know nearer the time but I think its unlikely.


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Hoplites wrote:
So what about Waltham Abbey RGPM VE weekend,
is anyone going there? We could catch up in the flesh
if I manage to be invited by the Mediterraneo.

If you go give us some photo!

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there were at least about 7 side cap patterns observed in service in 1940-41 or maybe more!!!...all old WWI-Asia minor patterns were still in use plus 20s & early30s greek patterns plus late 30s patterns..in every picture you can see a crazy variety of side cas...french style-british style & greek style with or without folding down ear flaps


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Some of our kit so far...
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Hi patriotes!
Looking excellent, waiting to see more.
By the way I can't get used to how convincing the polyester helmet looks!

Also I suggest to keep the British tunics as they are, or wait for the replicas.
From my humble research there is
more support that these were pressed into service with no changes and anyway
it is not worth butchering a vintage uniform that is getting more and more rare, as it
will never look perfectly Greek, better keep it as is.

The reenacting season starts now and I will try to publish photos of the kit 'live', at the earliest opportunity,
to share a complete picture of the typical 1940 Greek soldier.


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