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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:59 am 
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Right, I'm confused.

What length should the sniper suit be on me, as it's down to my knees currently and I'm thinking it shouldn't be that long? Any help would be appriciated. Now I'm home for the summer I can finish the suit :D


Right mate the suit should be as long as you want. After all the the suit is made by the sniper for the sniper. I you want to make the one in the manual it comes down to your just above your gaiters but I had to change the dimensions to fit me as the diemsions in the manual are far too big.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:31 pm 
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My personal ttake on this is that we should be portraying the norms. We should also be portraying points of interest where possibe and highlighting the differences between life/warfare then and now.


Yep, Ghillies predate Queen Victoria and further as Scottish gamekepers who oudl blend in to hunt poachers but the modern 'ghillie suit' style is quite a rare beast.

Yup *some* troops have experimented in the field slashes hessian fringes etc and full 'ghilli'suits of some degree but its so rare and as has been said you're not really achieving much if you make one that looks like it could have been worn in Bosnia as much as Birmingham.

Consider the *manual* told regular proffesional soliders to cover there faces with boot polish, blanco or coffee grounds, use the face veil to brak up head and shoulders and put foligage in their kit... how often did this happen? Well trawl 200 pictures of wwii british soliders and i'd be surprised to find more than two doing this. Personal camoflage as given lip service in the UK and virtually ignored in the US unitl post was evaluations really hammered home it's usefulness (despite and awareness ince the start of the 1st world war).

Personally I'd stick to hand painted sacking, make it as loose as possible - the intention is to break up the telltale 'head,shoulders and limbs' profile of the person.

The intention isnt unforutanely to make it look 'cool'... if you go down that route you may as well just go and buy a modern 'walking bush' ghilie suit and justify t as 'well they knew how to make nets and fray hessian then... why wouldnt they have done it?' and the simple answer is "because the generally 'outside of training pamphlets or pardades to impress the king' ... they didn't"

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On re-wearing it just now to check, I think it's just about the right length for me as is, so won't bother with the modifications. just need to paint it now :)


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Gadge wrote:
My personal ttake on this is that we should be portraying the norms. We should also be portraying points of interest where possibe and highlighting the differences between life/warfare then and now.


Yep, Ghillies predate Queen Victoria and further as Scottish gamekepers who oudl blend in to hunt poachers but the modern 'ghillie suit' style is quite a rare beast.

Yup *some* troops have experimented in the field slashes hessian fringes etc and full 'ghilli'suits of some degree but its so rare and as has been said you're not really achieving much if you make one that looks like it could have been worn in Bosnia as much as Birmingham.

Consider the *manual* told regular proffesional soliders to cover there faces with boot polish, blanco or coffee grounds, use the face veil to brak up head and shoulders and put foligage in their kit... how often did this happen? Well trawl 200 pictures of wwii british soliders and i'd be surprised to find more than two doing this. Personal camoflage as given lip service in the UK and virtually ignored in the US unitl post was evaluations really hammered home it's usefulness (despite and awareness ince the start of the 1st world war).

Personally I'd stick to hand painted sacking, make it as loose as possible - the intention is to break up the telltale 'head,shoulders and limbs' profile of the person.

The intention isnt unforutanely to make it look 'cool'... if you go down that route you may as well just go and buy a modern 'walking bush' ghilie suit and justify t as 'well they knew how to make nets and fray hessian then... why wouldnt they have done it?' and the simple answer is "because the generally 'outside of training pamphlets or pardades to impress the king' ... they didn't"


Very true Comrade, use of modern methods used on period piece is something to watch and avoid, for example use of a Ghillie Suit by a Red Army Sniper of the GPW... HET!.

The Context of your Gag is most important, the fact they did things differently then is why you play the gag now.

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the pic is so cool

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Bit of a necro-post on this...

when doing these suits, what paint did people use to do them with? Ie, looked matt, went on ok and didnt stiffen up the material, stayed on and didn't rub off etc...

I'm looking at painting canvas so need something that will not make the material turn to a board, but also give good colour and last.






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Hi Paul

Gloss and fence paint tend to 'stiffen up' the material.

The best stuff seemed to be matt paint watered down just a little IMHO

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It doesn't show much, but have a look at: http://www.blitzandpeaces.co.uk/video.asp , at 2.35 in and 2.58.


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