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I've been prompted to start this thread after seeing the k98 for sale on this forum. I'd always been lead to believe that early buttplates on the K98 were the thin, flat type.

However, what is classed as early?

The K98k went into production in 1935. Is that early or is 1939 still regarded as early. I had been given the impression that the thick buttplates weren't seen until later in the war.

However, look at this original photo in my collection (12 photo down the page). The 4th and 5th men in the front rank have thick buttplates on their rifles.

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This photo has an original inscription on the rear, stating it was taken on 14th January 1939. I have no reason to doubt this either.

Thoughts?

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Okay, the pic doesn't work! take a look on my site!

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well you cant ever go by the date on the photo i have one dated 1946 silesia but there is no way it is 46 for the fact the war is over it may be an old photo and the guy put it on thinking that was the date?? but saying that the cupped butt plate came in in 40/41 so it may be a prototype

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I have had a couple of K98s-cant remember dates on them but ive always preferred the look of th ecupped plate and thought the cupped ones had something to do with the laminated woodwork??????
Should the buttplates be dated or stamped as the one i have now isnt?


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lipton wrote:
I have had a couple of K98s-cant remember dates on them but ive always preferred the look of th ecupped plate and thought the cupped ones had something to do with the laminated woodwork??????
Should the buttplates be dated or stamped as the one i have now isnt?


some were stamped some wernt mainly later war ones wernt but the laminate is kind of related but only in the way they moved over to laminate at about the same time to save wood

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The page above worked for me here's the link
http://www.dasheer.org.uk/original_photos.htm
http://www.dasheer.org.uk/original%20photos2.htm
http://www.dasheer.org.uk/original%20photos3.htm
http://www.dasheer.org.uk/original%20photos4.htm
http://www.dasheer.org.uk/original_photos5.htm


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I was trying to post the actual photo and not the link but thanks anyway.

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I hear what you're saying however as I said I have no reason to doubt the date on this photo.

It's definitely not 1941 or 1942 so it proves to me you shouldn't always believe what you read!

As an early war group it also means that we don't have a problem using rifles with deep buttplates.

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the cupped buttplate came in early 1940

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paul a wrote:
the cupped buttplate came in early 1940


But it is possible some might have found their way into units earlier maybe.

Have a look at the photo

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Westerwald wrote:
paul a wrote:
the cupped buttplate came in early 1940


But it is possible some might have found their way into units earlier maybe.

Have a look at the photo

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in early 1940 the allgemeine heeresmitteil-ungen announcedthat the original flat buttplate for the k98 was to be replaced by a new kolbenkappe (cupped buttplate) so you are looking at new issued ones reaching the troops probably late 1940

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