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 Post subject: ATS Provost
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:56 pm 
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Who did they belong to?

Where there ATS at Divisional Level like the CMP or where they just at Command level?

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 Post subject: Re: ATS Provost
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I'm not sure if this answers your question, but it might help or prompt someone who knows better...
The ATS Provost were formed in later 1941 to cope with growing disciplinary problems within the ATS follow the conscription of women into the Forces earlier that year. They were chosen from volunteers and trained at the CMP depot at Mytchet. The ATS Provost wing was formally formed in February 1942. However, the ATS were Provost staff in there own right and not attached directly to the CMP. Therefore, I believe they belonged to the ATS only and dealt only with female disciplinary issues, but I have seen photographs of them examining paper work of male soldiers and working alongside the CMP.


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Afraid not. I'm trying to find out if the ATS Provost units were attached to divisions and wore their Divisional insignia or were they attached to Corps and Commands only?

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Ackack girl had it right. There were attached where there were ATS. Divisional and Corps insignia was not assigned to them. If there was ATS examining paperwork it was because they took turns on the gates, albeit never with weapons as one vet put it, but with a "bloody stick" she had no clue what she was supposed to do with.


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ATS Provost Sections were assigned to Home Commands, Districts & Sub-Areas, in varying numbers dependent upon needs, and therefore wore the formation sign of that Command etc. ATS Provost were never assigned at Divisional level.

In North-West Europe there was the Auxiliary Territorial Service Provost Company, 1st Continental Group A.T.S. As a unit of 1 Continental Group ATS they wore the formation sign of HQ 21 Army Gp. The Company consisted of 1 Officer (J/Cdr Buckle), 1 CSM (WOII Bodel), 3 Sergeants (Lewin, Woodhall & Bowles), 3 Corporals and 15 L/Corporals, organised into a Coy HQ and three Sections numbered 65, 66 and 67. To give you some idea of their duties, this is a precis of their war diary;

The Company mobilised on 12.06.44, with 67 Section detailed for Special Duties at the Civilian Refugee Camp at Worthing. 65 & 66 Sections carried out daily training and foot patrols. On 26.07.44 1xCpl and 1xL/Cpl embarked for NW Europe, arriving on 28.07.44 with the Advance Section of HQ 21st Army Group (Rear). On 11.08.44 the remainder of the Coy left Sunningdale and embarked. On arrival in France on 12.08.44 they moved to camp at Vaucelles. Joint patrols were carried out with 120th (GHQ) Provost Company, CMP in Bayeux and NCOs manned a Provost Information Post on the Bayeux-Cherbourg road in conjunction with CMP. Solo patrols of Bayeux commenced 28.08.44. Much work was carried out in guarding female PW, many of them Russians. The Coy moved to Brussels on 23.09.44, commencing patrols and joint manning of a Pro Info Post in Brussels. Checks were carried out of female civilians in conjunction with Belgian Police and the CMP. Sections or Sub-Sections were detached to Antwerp, Ostend and Calais and to the Civilian internment camp at Vilvoorde.

If you search the IWM website you will find a number of photos of ATS Provost in NW Europe.

ATS Provost had very limited reciprocal powers over male personnel, because the ATS were only subject to certain parts of Kings Regulations and the Army Act. If they did have to deal with male soldiers, it was more a case of "willing co-operation" rather than lawful enforcement. They did carry out joint duties alongside CMP, but there role was principally to deal with female Service personnel and civilians. As has already been mentioned, they did not form part of the Corps of Military Police, though they wore the same red cap cover and armlet. They did not wear a CMP cap badge on the breast pocket as was the habit by other units (except for ATS personnel attached to the permanent staff of the three CMP Depots in the U.K, some of whom did, but these were more often than not General Duties ATS personnel (clerks, cooks etc) rather than ATS Provost NCOs.

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