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SOE has really interested me since the Jedburgh group started and I've spoken to a few people.

The question I still have is....

For an ATS or WRN SOE... which handgun would they be likely to carry concealed? I've been told its almost definately automatic of some kind.

What ones have been noted in history?

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someone will know more im sure but wasnt one of the more standard guns the colt 1910?

didnt a female polish agent carry a radom pistol? Dan knows her name i think.

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I believe Violette Szabo (not Polish though) carried a Radom?

Try to get the book "Clandestine Warfare - Weapons and equipment of the SOE and OSS".

Very good book, and dispels many of the myths that are so often taken for gospel.


And for things noted in history, more or less everything.

Just don't fall into pre-conceived ideas or myths surrounding the subject.

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And where would one find a radom these days... :P

I'll steal Dan's one :P

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Did you find any info on Wren agents?
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Yep... I believe Monty Stubble posted something from a new paper about one SOE officer. Its somewhere in the navy section. I'll have a look a post it here if i find it again.

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Here it is.

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petty officer wrote:
I believe Violette Szabo (not Polish though) carried a Radom?

Try to get the book "Clandestine Warfare - Weapons and equipment of the SOE and OSS".

Very good book, and dispels many of the myths that are so often taken for gospel.


And for things noted in history, more or less everything.

Just don't fall into pre-conceived ideas or myths surrounding the subject.


Useful for me too, thanks :)

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Think we established that she had not served with the WRNS during the war? Didn't someone look her up?
Sorry to be picky, just never come across WRNS personnel serving with SOE.
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Remember the thread, and I think that was the conclusion, think Monty Stubble looked it up, and that she went into the WRNS following SOE service.

When reading the article, it mentions that this event was the first time a WRN officer had been used in such a role, adding to the notion of WRNS not serving in SOE during the duration of the conflict. Meaning she would of had to join the WRNS post-conflict.

Plus as Kate said, not come across any mention of WRN members of SOE/SFHQ when doing research and reading etc.

Happy to be told otherwise though, providing there is enough info from a reputable source. :)

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Here's my pre occupation, de-activated 1938 dated Radom Pistol ViS wz. 35. Before the invasion of Poland, approximately 49,400 (out of 90,000 ordered) had been delivered to the army.

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Post occupation the Germans took over the Radom Armory and continued production of the Vis under the new name of 9 mm Pistole 645(p) which was for some reason often rendered as P 35(p)[1]. Up to 1945, between 312,000 and 380,000 were produced and used by the German paratroopers and police.

I believe these may have been popular with SOE agents as they fired the readly availible 9mm Parabellum round (same as MP40 and Sten) and being a single stack magazine means its light weight and less bulky compared to the 1911A1 and Browning 1935.

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Couldnt remember the conclusion with the wrens. Luckily doesnt affect me.. I was basing mine round an ATS impression.

Anyone have info on the ats SOEs though? That could also be useful.



P.S Nice radom Dan :P

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The Baker Street website is very good, the SOE agents were mainly FANY (not ATS) and WAAF.
http://www.64-baker-street.org/agents/index.html

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From "SOE - the scientific secrets"

"The types of weapon needed for clandestine warfare differed fundamentally from those for use by regular troops. While small hand guns such as revolvers and automatic pistols were needed as personal weapons, multi-shot weapons, particulary for use at close quarters, were essential for operations in which agents might be confronted by superior numbers such as enemy patrols. In general, longer range weapons were not required, while ease of concealment and reliability were essential requirements."

So basically, anything that had a relativley good magazine capacity, was reliable, and could be concealed easily enough could be used.

For my jumpsuit I use a Mauser 1914, a 7.65mm (.32ACP) calibre german made, 8 shot pocket pistol.

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commando sniper wrote:
someone will know more im sure but wasnt one of the more standard guns the colt 1910?


Paul.

Is that not the M1910 FN Browning Paul?

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur ... %26hl%3Den

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur ... %26hl%3Den

(note - the second picture is the Model 10/22) The reason I ask is that it's Hammerless, used in most European Countries, and was taken on by the Germans

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