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 Post subject: SOE, MI6 and MI9
PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 19:19 pm 
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Hi all,
As i sit here at the fire station, i wonder to myself, did these 3 units work together?? Or operate seperatley? Also did they train together?? Well i know MI9 was the Escape Comittee. However they must have worked closely with SOE/OSS and MI6.

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SOE and MI6, whilst they did work together, they were extremely reluctant to work together and to share intelligence and information with each other. Due to this, collaborations between the two departments was quite rare.

Not sure about training with each other, but someone will probably enlighten us on this point.

SOE and the OSS seemed to have kept themselves to themselves until the formation of SFHQ, when cross-departmental activities increased. A very good example of this was the "Dawes mission".

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Good morning , because of the general nature of how and why SOE was set up , working / cooperating together was as good as non existant , the MI5 / MI6 had been going about there work quietly and professionally " thank you very much " for many years when the new `upstarts ` of SOE came along , yes im being flippant but this was indeed the attitude of the senior organisations .
SOE was set up after the retreat from Dunkirk on direct instructions from Winston Churchill , with his " set europe ablaze " speech , almost at once SOE clashed with the others because of its use of undesirable people , one of the first tasks was to contact Scotland yard and gain a list of all known forgers , safe crackers , thieves that robbed large country houses , the fact that they were EVEN actually serving a spell in prison meant nothing to SOE , they were just quietly interviewed and ask if the would like to serve their country by teaching their `skills` to potential SOE agents this alone sent shock waves round Whitehall but because of the SOE`s direct contact to Churchill it was ignored .
SOES`s use of any one and every one , again did not go down well with the other SIS units where for years your breeding and class , what schools or universities one had attended or what regiment your father had served in dictated your selection , ,this may sound absurd but was infact the case also ( and this is fact ) SOE`s use of coloured / black / far east agents went down ` like a knacked lift` .Peter KEMP who served in the small scale raiding force then SOE had fought on the german side In the Spanish civil war
Many SOE agents were not from the armed forces , a large amount came direct from the civillian population , SOE`s back room staff would trawl through files and find some thing like ` 25 year old FRED BLOGS of Newquay spent many of his pre war hollidays at his uncles horse farm in LYON , or MARRY BLOGS off Leeds attended a ladies finishing school for six months in 1937 at Brussels ,These snippets were noted and if they tied in with an area of interest in europe , they were interviewed and asked if they fancied a change of career .
SOE was accused of many things ,perhaps the main problem being that its operational parameters were not as structured as they should have been they were accused of getting involved with any thing and every thing and lacking direction , an example of this is the escape or ` rat lines` set up by MI9 to get allied aircrew back to the UK ( like in the fantastic tv series ` secret army ` from the 1970`s . . any one else remember ?) the very nature of this task called for a nice quite peacefull existence , where civillians passed the aircrew from one farm in a quite area to a flat in another quite area , along would come SOE blow up a bridge ,or kill a local gestapo official , thus the ` hue an cry ` that followed brought down house searches arrests etc and destroyed months of hard work , SOE may well have had a legit and important task to carry out there but because of rivalry and lack of communication more often the fault of the otherservices much overlaping took place , SOE was full of many brave and dedicated staff and agents and i do not want this post to sound negative ,they did achieve many spectaular operations such as the attack on the NORSK HYDRO factory , the fact is it true to say that SOE were the first british secret service to understand that fighting a `total war ` means " the gloves come off "but the stigma of being very ruthless and working with the mandate " the end justifies the means " never quite left them ,regards ,Pugwash.


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Hi dont forget the film ` now it can be told ` (1946) shows SOE staff ,agent s in training made as a public imformation film but only released after the war , just brilliant ,regards ,Pugwash


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Cracking cheers Pugwash some good information there, hmm you seem to know a little too much......
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Once again thank you.

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I am interested in collecting a Op Freshman (SOE Agent) Equipment and uniform. Snow whites, skis, etc. Would be very different. Also any idea where MI9 Where based? Who worked for them. Would it have been RAF and Army Intelligence Officers? Or just experienced Aircrew who had escaped from europe????

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Good morning , the FRESHMAN theme would be good , you could tie it in with a study of all the Norway SOE section , they got up to quite a lot .
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The book you need is `skis against the atom ` wrote by one of the team members of the raid came out years back and also the film ` the heroes of telemark ` kirk Douglas ( an a very charming blonde bird in a tight sweater ) the book `the shetland bus ` by David Howarth is very good he was the 2IC of the norwegian camp base in Shetland from where refugee fishermen using the trawlers they had escaped with from Norway they ran a service transporting agents and equipment across the north sea the book covers a large area i think you may be interested in , about the soe role in Norway many of the sailors were killed and the small mountain cemetery up there has /had the graves of several of these very brave men . The magazine ` after the battle` had an issue on the Shetland islands showing photos of the surviving buildings ,training area the small stone harbour they used /nissan huts etc
next , there is a tv docu -drama shown on the history channel that interviews the surviving members an uses actors to reenact the raid include the failed attempt prior where they got stuck up on the ice cap for months and nearly all died , RAY MEARS did a reenactment for tv using original kit , tents sleeping bags , if i remember correct the tv series a few years back on the SOE covered Norway , seemed to remember two war time SOE guys locating the remains of their hide they had built over looking the fjord , an if you realy get bitten theres a book about the earlier parachute / Royal Engineers glider attack that went as wrong as an operation could do the gliders / tugs crashed in a snow storm and the surviving wounded were executed ,hope this helps ,wil try o come up with more ,regards ,Pugwash.


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YES BUT DON`T FORGET THE BOOK" WE DIE ALONE "THIS GIVES AN IN-SITE INTO WHERE THE MAN STARTED OUT FROM ,I STUDY MORE E+E THAN AGENT STUFF
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Cracking cheers for the info gents... Now is there any more info out there regarding MI9??? Routes, locations, HQ's, documents, websites, etc, etc.


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Just been reading up on some of MI-9 nice little inventions!!!! Is there any good internet sites that any of you know of that contain various E+E items. Cricket bats, RAF Escape boots, chess sets, etc.

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I am interested in putting together an MI-9 Briefing display, mainly these were for RAF Aircews, etc. Was wondering if anyone on here has any pictures of any escape items?? Im after what was held insdie the Cricket Bat and how the codes worked in the letters to the PoW's.


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