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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 17:57 pm 
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Hello all.

I'm looking at buying a Soviet EMs uniform, and I see that The History Bunker do sets.

What are your thoughts on these, quality, correct, value for money wise?

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step away from the website and put your credit card down.

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thanks guys

I'm getting the same feedback from other sources too.

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Aye, curt answer was for anyone who searches this thread... viewing History Bunker's products is like staring down the chasm of despair.


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Hi Baz, History Bunker - just no. :D

http://www.schuster.ru are good, they can be a bit slow it's not like 'click and buy' as they're reenactors themselves with real lives and real jobs elsewhere but the quality is top notch.

The first question is which period do you want to do? As the uniform changed at the start of 1943.

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Hi Alex

I've looked at Schuster and the kit looks good. I'd like to do a Stalingrad period uniform, so I take it that it would be the '35 pattern?

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manxie1944 wrote:
Hi Alex

I've looked at Schuster and the kit looks good. I'd like to do a Stalingrad period uniform, so I take it that it would be the '35 pattern?

Baz


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manxie1944 wrote:
Hi Alex

I've looked at Schuster and the kit looks good. I'd like to do a Stalingrad period uniform, so I take it that it would be the '35 pattern?

Baz


As Tovarishch Viktor says yes that's right. Insignia, buttons* etc are zaschitny tsvet (subdued) not full colour though you can still have your pilotka/ushanka star as the full colour brass and enamel version as that was retained by many after the August 1941 Prikaz. Avoid 1980s staybrite stars and buttons.

*Use of black buttons rather than green allows you to extend earlier in time to pre-war if you wish. On that note pre and early war insignia is something of a minefield but for 1942 generally speaking the simpler the better. :D

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And don't be tempted by stuff from the "cheaper" UK or Ebay sources, most of it is either bad repro or postwar and wrong.

Things particularly to NOT wear:

1) Rexene rifle pouches!

2) 80's ushanka (the fur hat) or any other "ACME Russian fur hat"

3) Post war pilotka (side hat), unless you really know your onions when you can find one particular post-war pattern that's good.

4) post war vesh meshok (backpack) - it has straps for tying your shinel (greatcoat), plasch Palatka (shelter half/rain cape) or blanket around it. Wartime does not have this nor the back pocket. Removing them from a postwar one looks crap, buy a repro!

5) post war civil defence GP5 gasmask bag.... noooooo!

6) Czech M53 helmets. They aren't the same as the SSh40 that you need. They cannot be converted.

Providing you know which bits go together for your date (Stalingrad) and you buy from Schuster, you won't have anything wrong and you will look spot on.

Feel free to ask myself or my two comrades from Za Oboronu above if you have any questions - we are happy to help you!

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Andrei Kozlov wrote:
And don't be tempted by stuff from the "cheaper" UK or Ebay sources, most of it is either bad repro or postwar and wrong.

Things particularly to NOT wear:

1) Rexene rifle pouches!

2) 80's ushanka (the fur hat) or any other "ACME Russian fur hat"

3) Post war pilotka (side hat), unless you really know your onions when you can find one particular post-war pattern that's good.

4) post war vesh meshok (backpack) - it has straps for tying your shinel (greatcoat), plasch Palatka (shelter half/rain cape) or blanket around it. Wartime does not have this nor the back pocket. Removing them from a postwar one looks crap, buy a repro!

5) post war civil defence GP5 gasmask bag.... noooooo!

6) Czech M53 helmets. They aren't the same as the SSh40 that you need. They cannot be converted.

Providing you know which bits go together for your date (Stalingrad) and you buy from Schuster, you won't have anything wrong and you will look spot on.

Feel free to ask myself or my two comrades from Za Oboronu above if you have any questions - we are happy to help you!


Oh, and 'Russian greatcoats'. Loads on fleabay at the mo' are actually Bulgarian and...well...not right. :wink: And if you do actually get a surplus Soviet shinel it's going to be a Cold War era Brezhnevka. Buy a repro, speaking from experience they're lovely. 8)

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The Political Office is still vetting this new defender of the Factories and Peoples.

All "advice" is to the norm demanded of Activist and Agitators of the struggle to liberate Mother Russia from the Pit Viper Vandal Horde.

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Okay - so this is a list of items for the first half of the Stalingrad Battle (August to November) It's not exhaustive - I've not included;

Sapogi/botinki (boots),
vatni sharovari (padded trousers),
shinel (greatcoat),
Ushanka
ammo pouches, (for Mosin, PPSh, SVT, DP-28,)
kotelok (mess-tin),
lozhka (spoon)
chashka (cup)
flyaga (water bottle),
Lopata (e-tool),
plecheye lyamki (y-straps)
RGD-33's, (very hard to get outside of Russia)
weapon system, (Mosin, PPSh, SVT, DP-28,)
Obr40 helmet,
wool gloves,
wool balaclava,
wool sweater,
mesocheki (ration pouches) and rations,
tobacco pouch or cigarette case,
smyertnik (id capsule for casualties),
I.D booklet,
wallet with money,
sewing kit,
washing kit,
weapon cleaning kit,
plash-palatka (poncho),

and most important of all, a clean collar liner. I have linked to some of the most essential items

Obr 35 pilotka

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... ogo-sosta/

Obr 35 gimnastorka (tunic)

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... go-sostav/

Obr 35 sharovari (breeches)

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... ogo-sosta/

Telogreka (padded jacket)

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... br-1932-g/

Nizhnovo byelaya (underwear set)

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... belya1337/

Remen bryuchny (belt for breeches)

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... bryuchnyy/

kozha remen poyasnoy (leather waist belt for tunic)

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... -poyasnoy/

Protivogaznaya sumka (gas mask bag)

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... vogaznaya/

Vesh-meshok (haversack)

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... 5-g-sidor/

Chekol flyaga (waterbottle pouch)

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... -poyasnoy/

Portyanki (footcloths)

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... ki-zimnie/

Petlitisi - zaschitny tvet (subdued collar tabs)

http://www.schuster.ru/rsfsr-sssr-1918- ... br-1941-g/

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It must seem odd to some we use the same items other Direction of interests use in very day life like sewing kits and towels Comrades.

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Comrades!

as ever, most helpful. Making up a shopping list as we speak.

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My bad, I should have asked about budget really..

You mentioned on another thread that you've sourced other items - (pilotka, protivogaz)

I dunno... see, thing is... (makes 'ssss' sound through teeth) sourcing stuff piecemeal is risky.

If you exactly follow the guide I drew up, even in phases, and at the risk of sounding like one of those corny life insurance adverts....

You can at least have complete peace of mind that everything you get will be correct.

This is one area you really DO want to cover those 'final expenses' with! :-)

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