WWIIReenacting.co.uk Forums

Sorry bur i noticed that all the belts (open flap ones) does not have the saving stud..so they are not Garand belt but Spriengfield ones...

_________________
"What the hell.... everybody is crazy in this outfit, including me, if we weren't we wouldn't be in it.."

Greg - the ones with the internal straps are Springfield ones - the strap is so that you can hold one clip of the two in the pocket in place when removing the other one - otherwise both might come out at once.

Both of Lipton's belts here are post-war ones, very early 50's production more than likely with lack of readable dates.

Cheers,
Glen.

_________________
Glen Mallen
2nd Armored in Europe : http://www.2ndarmoredineurope.co.uk
D-505-PIR/2nd Armd : http://www.d505pir.com
Look Out Below! : http://www.look-out-below.co.uk/

"The only thing stopping you, is you"

i thought it was the opposite...and everybody said to me it was like that..

_________________
"What the hell.... everybody is crazy in this outfit, including me, if we weren't we wouldn't be in it.."

Greg you have to remember that a M1903 Springfield had 2 x 5 round stripper clips whereas the M1 Garand had the 8 round "en bloc" charger clip.
The retaining strap inside the M1910 belt secured one of the 5 round stripper clips for the M1903 Springfield.
Once the M1903 was rendered obsolete and the M1 Garand became the standard rifle the 10 pocket belts did away with the retaining strap...hence the later belts.

regards

Lloyd

_________________
STOP ! STOP ! STOP ! THE BOOZE IS EXPLODING !..S/Sgt Costin to the rest of the Jeep Raid Convoy somewhere near Bricquebeq...Normandy 2010

Sort of...

The WWI M1910 and M1917 belts don't have stripper clip straps either, it was an improvement brought in with the M1923 (after feedback from the troops in WWI about their losing clips from their M10's and M17's - and don't forget that at that stage the M1923 was JUST being used for the Springfield Rifle, as the M1 Garand wasn't around then).

The straps were then dropped post-war on the continued M1923 belt production once the M1903 Springfield Rifle fell out of use completely (although the USMC retained them for a bit longer in their production).

Cheers,
Glen.

_________________
Glen Mallen
2nd Armored in Europe : http://www.2ndarmoredineurope.co.uk
D-505-PIR/2nd Armd : http://www.d505pir.com
Look Out Below! : http://www.look-out-below.co.uk/

"The only thing stopping you, is you"

The minty OD pics I posted before, that belt has the retaining straps in too, when did the springfield stop being used?

_________________
Long John You Ain't!
Missing tent rows already!
'78 a vintage year!

One to me too..
http://img410.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=photo0020t.jpg

"Made By MILLS Woven Cartridge Belt Co"
"Worcester Mass U.S.A."

"MILLS bullet logo"
"Patented Jan 29, 1901 July 16, 1907"

Near mint condition

_________________
Filthy
Second Armored in Europe http://www.2ndarmoredineurope.co.uk/

OD3 and OD7 ww1 style ...And correct for ww2.

Guys,

without wishing to 'open the flood gates', can you tell me when the OD7 M1923 belts first started to be used ?? I'm taking it that technically, no OD7 M1923 belt should have the retaining straps under the flaps ??

Just looking at some late war stuff at the mo and this is bugging me !

Cheers Dave

_________________
1st Lt. Pratt
HQ Co 2nd Ranger Bn
Ranger Re-enactments


' Jeez, where's that damned Lt. taking us now, he's gonna get us all killed'

100% OD7 or partial OD7?

Actually, not much difference - you've got the opportunity of both from late 43 onwards, so they can definitely have retaining straps in them.

Cheers,
Glen.

_________________
Glen Mallen
2nd Armored in Europe : http://www.2ndarmoredineurope.co.uk
D-505-PIR/2nd Armd : http://www.d505pir.com
Look Out Below! : http://www.look-out-below.co.uk/

"The only thing stopping you, is you"

Thanks Glen,

Got a 44' dated OD 7 belt without them in and just wondered whether this was left off as the war went on or is it just a design feature from this manufacturer ? Crikey talk about getting geeky Devil is in the detail as they say

Cheers Dave

_________________
1st Lt. Pratt
HQ Co 2nd Ranger Bn
Ranger Re-enactments


' Jeez, where's that damned Lt. taking us now, he's gonna get us all killed'