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Pistol Belts...

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Top: British-made (note long tongue on male end of belt fastener)
2nd: WWI
3rd: 1944-dated OD7
4th: Nasco 1942 (note upside down U.S. stamping...)
Bottom: R.M. Co 1942, with almost japanned brass fittings

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Top: M10 with puckered webbing pockets
2nd: M17 with flat canvas pockets
3rd: M23 bog standard WWII issue with cast buckles
4th: British-made in M10 style with puckered pockets. Note long tongue on fastener on male part of buckle.
Bottom: M23 with interesting repair/mod to all pocket flaps - a piece of thin canvas has been properly sewn to reinforce the flap tops. Odd. Male part of buckle is cast, female is brass.

Rifle Belt rear fittings:

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Top: M10
2nd: M17 (note only single eyelet for M10 Doughboy Pack rear strap)
3rd: M23
4th: British-made.

Well-used camo-painted M17 Mounted Rifle Belt:

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Two pistol belts from my collection.

Top belt WW2
Bottom belt WW1

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This is stamped "MADE BY MILLS WOVEN CARTRIDGE BELT CO.WORCESTER. MASS. U.S.A.


The other side is stamped PATENTED JAN 29 1901 JULY 16 1907 along with the MILLS bullet logo

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Manufacturer of WWII Belt is 'S Froehlich Co , 1942', one of the contractors that provided the USMC with pistol belts, without the 'US' stamp. They also provided the standard army issue 'US' stamped belts. [Thanks Chris (fu man) for this extra info - Glen.]

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Here's that transitional belt, Simon. I've got one that is opposite to this one. Would think that it is probably dated 43, not 45 as the seller thinks though.

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Pics as promised.

Top belt has brass fittings(welded?smooth sliders)-cannot make out the maker stamp

2nd belt has brass buckles but magnetic(welded?)sliders.Maker R.M.CO-date obscured.

3rd belt a mish mash.1 cast steel? buckle,1 brass.Slider is magnetic ribbed.Also the press stud is magnetic and not brass.Maker is faint but looks like S.F.CO.Ltd 1943?

Last bet looks unissued.cast buckles magnetic sliders-not welded but sort of folded over.The end adjusting tab with hook is magnetic but has been painted OD??.maker NascO 1943.

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Top belt looks unissued NASCO 1943 flat black steel keepers and alloy?belt hooks.The size adjusting hook is steel painted od.

2nd belt has all brass fittings and markings faded-???????? PRODUCTS 1942.

3rd belt,late/post war? ribbed steel keepers with alloy belt hooks.Makers details faded


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Two Boyt-made ones - top is 1941, bottom is 1942, both unissued:

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Green-dyed Froehlich 1941 BAR Belt:

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Camo-painted BAR 2nd Asst Belt (came from Ste Mere Eglise many years ago):

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If this is a sort of paste, thick plastic like stuff, greyish-green, I believe it's post-war Dutch applied. They have ruined a lot of webbing by smearing it with rubbish blanco.

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I also had an M36 belt and suspenders with this crap on them-post war Norwegians i believe.

No matter what i did to them nothing would shift it,even Nitromors!!!


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That transitional one is sexual :D

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SheikhAlStranghi wrote:
If this is a sort of paste, thick plastic like stuff, greyish-green, I believe it's post-war Dutch applied. They have ruined a lot of webbing by smearing it with rubbish blanco.


Nope, it's just OD Paint, and not like the Norwegian stuff before anyone starts..... :wink:

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Ah, good to hear. Then you'll have a US item, which is important.

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Just got these 2 Garand belts-No idea what type they are or why one of them is black :oops: :oops:


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your 1st one is a WWI belt.

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racanichou wrote:
your 1st one is a WWI belt.


Thanks,any idea why the 2 halfs arent the same-front+back?


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Think is it that one is an earlier manufacture by Mills with oval eyelets on the bottom, as opposed to the one with the normal circular eyelets. The rear belt piece is fitted upside down by the way (the eyelets should be on the top). The OD re-dye is from WWII.

The other belt is a bog-standard US-made M23 that has been dyed black by country unknown (to me anyway).

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GlenM wrote:
Think is it that one is an earlier manufacture by Mills with oval eyelets on the bottom, as opposed to the one with the normal circular eyelets. The rear belt piece is fitted upside down by the way (the eyelets should be on the top). The OD re-dye is from WWII.

The other belt is a bog-standard US-made M23 that has been dyed black by country unknown (to me anyway).

Cheers,
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Thanks Glen,would it be possibe to redye it green or is it beyond repair?


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lipton wrote:
Thanks Glen,would it be possibe to redye it green or is it beyond repair?


More than likely a tan one under the black. You could always try gently handwashing it to see if the black dye will come out?

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