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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:05 am 
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I recently bought a webbing rifle bag at a car boot sale, reasonable condition, for £10.

A few questions:

In what circumstances was one used? You don't see them in pictures of soldiers at the front.

When were they introduced? In use WW1 and WW2?

I have seen pictures of them with a carrying strap, sometimes on the side, sometimes on the back. Mine has been fitted with a couple of civilian rings obviously for a later strap. Were some strapless?

The pocket on the side - what did it contain? - a cleaning kit? Also in pictures some of the pockets face sideways, some face up-and-down the bag. What's the difference?

Lastly, what is the correct name for it? Bag? Slip? Case?

Thanks in anticipation, Owen.


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Exact use unknown, as far as I'm aware. They seem to be W.W.2, all the ones I've seen have been early/mid war dated. As issued they didn't have a sling or attachment for one, though many seem to have been modified post-war for civilian shooters, some have an additional webbing piece on the side to accommodate a scoped rifle. The side pocket is also of unknown use, some say it's to hold a 32 scope tin, which doesn't normally fit, others say a full bandolier of ammunition, which does fit. My feeling is that they are perhaps pack saddlery or vehicle stowage related as they are similar in concept to the webbing Bren gun valise for pack saddlery equipment. But certainly I've not seen any images of them in use by ordinary troops and other than the ones obviously used by civilian shooters, "unmolested" examples tend to be in unissued condition.

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Reproduction ones are available on e-bay.


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TALLERTHANBETTY - thanks for your detailed thoughts on this, and REME 245, thanks.


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Even today we get issued kit that no one seems to know how to use or what its for!


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I got mine from india off amazon and it now keeps my no4 safe along with my cleaning kit, it just looks nice on display as well as protecting my rifle.


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My understanding is that they were for transporting rifles in vehicles. I'm not sure what the side pocket is for, although a cleaning kit and / or ammunition would seem logical. Carrying straps are a postwar civilian modification.

I believe they are called a 'valise'.

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Thanks.


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