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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 16:44 pm 
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Blanco came from Pickerings. There were no other makers.
It was a registered name. That's semantics though.
Other people made web cleaners, Mills the makers of the webbing were one of several. There don't seem to be any batch numbers or ID. I have 20 odd blocks of KG3 and all appear identical to the naked eye. Same for the half dozen blocks of 103 and 3 blocks of 97 I have. I'm a little loathe to take a sample from each to test consistency.
Finding these samples is not easy or cheap.
I do know Pickerings submitted samples to the Naafi organisation for approval. I have samples with pencil notes on the wrapper to that effect. I think it's all recorded on the Banco and Bull website.

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TBH, because of the method of application, consistency varied from person to person, never mind batch to batch!

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I am having the experience of different bits of gear coming out in very different shades using the same batch of blanco. It must be the slightly different material, age, or shapes of some of the webbing. Interesting experiment.


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Real stuff or one of the repros?

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Repro. S&S. It works very nicely, just that the color shifts depending on the bit of gear in question. Could be I'm not putting it on thick enough, but even two coats won't bring some of the stuff back into the same range. Some of the webbing is course, some a bit finer, a few bits may have been blanco'd before (though all have been scrubbed/washed and dried before application). Go figure.


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Equipment cleaners were supplied to the HG in 1943 (as mentioned in HG information Circular No. 33, dated August 18) by:
-Messrs. Meltonian (C. Brown and Son) Ltd., Cricklewood
-Messrs. Joseph Pickerings and Sons, Sheffield
-Chiswick Products Ltd., London
-Messrs. Properts, Ltd.
-Messrs. J. Hamilton and Son, Dundee

In the brochure it is also mentioned that the only cleaner to be used is: "Equipment Cleaner, Khaki Green, No. 3 (W.O. specification)".

The approved cleaner is made up in two types: Powder and Block.

The whole 4 sheet (app. size A5) brochure is available under my publication numebr 3185, but does not really contain much more relevant information to the use of Blanco and its substitutes.

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this seems like the best place to ask I think, I've had a small pack for a while now that is odd, is appears to be blancoed yellow, (No.61 Buff?), who used this colour and when?
p.s. it's not raw canadian webbing as it has a normal broad arrow acceptance mark, and seems to have 'rubbed off' in areas.
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It saw use post war by some units.
I have a wartime dated belt that is no61 but the adjustment marks on the inside are in red ball point pen. Clearly not wartime.
I think the two are contemporary, ink and blanco, as the blanco is only applied as far as needed for the max adjustment.
Not every blancoed item is wartime unfortunately.
The 8 digit number is consistent with a 1956-1960 time line.

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LeMaitre wrote:
It saw use post war by some units.
I have a wartime dated belt that is no61 but the adjustment marks on the inside are in red ball point pen. Clearly not wartime.
I think the two are contemporary, ink and blanco, as the blanco is only applied as far as needed for the max adjustment.
Not every blancoed item is wartime unfortunately.
The 8 digit number is consistent with a 1956-1960 time line.

makes sense, as unless you want to look at the 1918 date then it must be the '55 that is the date ha ha. so this colour in use by the British army is a post war thing?

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Unless it was off "Militarytrader-uk" on ebay as he has a magic date stamp...

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Unless it was off "Militarytrader-uk" on ebay as he has a magic date stamp...

nah, I got this off a friend, think it is just the date the company was established, after all I have a 1943 dated pair of rubberised dispatch trousers that has on the paper label the company name then (1927)

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1950's desert use?

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I had some correspondence with a chap who was in the school cadets (well post-war) and they did all their webbing in 61 as their local regiment were the Buffs and this was the colour they used.

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Chomley-Warner wrote:
I had some correspondence with a chap who was in the school cadets (well post-war) and they did all their webbing in 61 as their local regiment were the Buffs and this was the colour they used.

thanks for that! so perhaps worth re-blancoing if it's definitely a post war practice.

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wulfrik-93 wrote:
unless you want to look at the 1918 date

The 1918 is unlikely to be a date? The pattern of the haversack was much different in 1918 to what you have?
Much more valuable too?

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wulfrik-93 wrote:
thanks for that! so perhaps worth re-blancoing if it's definitely a post war practice.

Post-war in the instance I quoted (mainly to point out it wasn't just battle-hardened soldiers that used webbing!) but the Buffs have always had buff coloured leatherwork rather than pipe-clayed and that continued to webbing through the 20th century. Even so, I presume the Buffs dispensed with the tradition when on active service in WWII and did what everyone else did and kept the tradition for home barracks and ceremonies. If your portrayal is the Buffs then you would need more research on what was worn where.

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