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 Post subject: Gendarme uniform
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 20:59 pm 
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I recently purchased this uniform, in order to portray ww2 French police. I see lots of pictures of the riding boots and tapered trousers so can anyone tell me who would have worn these staight trousers please? Also the tunic has a different collar from the typically seen one, ie different collar. I was advised to wear a blue shirt but I have only seen white ones being worn, also I'm guessing the collar is wrong on my shirt too? Any helpful information and guidance will be gratefully accepted.
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p.s. I cant upload the photo!!! Doh !!!sorry.


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 Post subject: Re: Gendarme uniform
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 19:45 pm 
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Hi,
would be nice to see some pics of your uniform, but here are some tips.

*Képi - very dark blue with mid blue top, silver grenade embroidered on front. Fittings then depend on the rank.
*Shirt - white most of the time, worn with black tie. Shirt was sometimes blue later in the war.
*Tunic - model 1926 has a pointed collar and is closed up to the top with a hook, leaving only a thin white shirt collar line to be seen. Collar tabs are embroidered with a sliver (aluminium) bullion grenade. Rank insignia just above the cuffs. - Model 1939 tunic has an open collar, showing shirt and tie. However, the older model was still widely in use until 1955.
*Trousers - Working / service dress includes breeches (blue with black stripes) worn with black leather boots and black leather gaiters. As far as I know, straight trousers are worn mostly for walking out / parade dress but are sometimes seen in service dress.
*Leather belt with shoulder strap and holster for a Ruby 7.65mm pistol.

Note that the French policemen had straight trousers. Policemen are civilians, whereas Gendarmes are servicemen - a kind of MP. Their uniforms were very similar.

Hope this helps!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 23:15 pm 
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you could email the photographs to someone and they'll put them up for you? (send me a PM if you want and I'll send my email), If wanting to do Gendarmes too I have an M1927 ammo pouch for Gendarmes if interested.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 16:51 pm 
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Thanks for the help guys, the tunic is open collar type. The belt and strap is similar in appearance to the "Sam Browne" belt, would one of these do? As the trousers are sraight does this mean I have a policemans uniform? I was going to wear plain black shoes with the straight trousers as in the photo I will be emailing to Haydn.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 20:56 pm 
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Belt and strap should be great fot the purpose.
As for the trousers, the difference is that Police ones are plain dark blue whereas Gendarmerie trousers are mid blue with a black stripe along the side seam (like their breeches).
Open collar tunic could be either Gendarmerie (modèle 1939 or re-tailored modèle 1926) or post-war Police (modèle 1947), I will tell you more when your picture is posted.
Cannot post pictures myself right now as I'm not home, but will do this to make it clearer this weekend!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 21:47 pm 
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Thanks Pierre, the trousers are the mid blue with black stripe so they must be gendarme parade/walking out. I also have an overoat which is 3/4 length. This uniform was apparently used in the film " Charlotte Gray". I just want to put together an impression which is accurate. So, would I wear a sidearm when walking out? Should I get a truncheon? white gloves? did they carry a whistle?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:38 am 
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Any time Andy!
If your uniform was used for a film then they probably got it right. You can use the trousers for parade or walking out, but they wouldn't be out of place for a late war service dress, as you can see on one of the pictures below.

No truncheon, no white gloves, but I don't know for the whiste... I'd say they had one?

For walking out : tunic, belt without shoulder strap and without sidearm, straight trousers, black shoes.
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Normal service dress : same but with shoulder strap and sidearm, breeches, black boots and gaiters.
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Same (number 5, here with helmet) on a plate from 1940:
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Service dress, seen here with straight trousers on 17th July 1944 in Cherbourg:
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Vareuse modèle 1926, the most common until the early 50s:
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Vareuse modèle 1939 (here lacking its collar patches):
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Sidearm should be the Ruby 7.65 mm pistol, but a few photographs show the old 1892 revolver with its typical holster.

Better with pictures, hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 18:07 pm 
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Thats great Pierre, many thanks.I really just need to get a belt and Ican go walking out!! :D Also I was trying to get a reprint of a french wartime newspaper, do you have any ideas as to where I could get one?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 22:11 pm 
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Hi Andy,

I think the belt used for walking out is the same as in service dress, just remove the cross strap. Or here is a nice one:
http://www.delcampe.fr/page/item/id,253271913,var,ceinturon-cuir-noir-gendarmerie,language,F.html#.UyMeFIWoETU

As for reprints of wartime newspapers, maybe keep an eye on the French eBay for something like "reproduction journal 39 45". Originals do come up quite often for low prices, so could be worth to scan and reprint?
Which date are you looking for?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:58 am 
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Hi Pierre,
I've tried Ebay Fr and found some repro papers so thanks for the tip. Any wartime papers are of interest to me especially early wartime. I suppose now I should get some repro cigarette packets too.Back to Ebay!!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 22:29 pm 
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I can keep an eye on early wartime newspapers and send you the links if this is of any help.

French cigarette packets:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW2-Period-Reproduction-Gauloises-Cigarette-Pack-/160978862499?pt=UK_Collectables_Tobacciana_Smoking_LE&hash=item257b1681a3

Label only:
http://www.atlas-repropaperwork.com/shop/f6001

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Many thanks for the help,any links you send me will be great thanks.
Andy


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