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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 16:03 pm 
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Please could someone tell me the significance and the colour of the pale triangular flashes on the cuff of the Free French officers uniform?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 17:34 pm 
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Google's not much help on this one, is it? I have emailed your question and the picture to a friend of mine who works for the French equivalent of the National Trust in Versailles - he has a keen interest in all things French/WW2 and may be able to shed some light on this.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 20:09 pm 
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Hi Simon,

these should be the rank signs (chevrons or stripes). Can't say which rank as the picture has too much grain. They could be either silver or gold in colour (depending on the unit).
Do you know who the guy is? This could help identifying the rank.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:05 am 
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Very difficult to tell with this photo. I can tell you that many French officers had blue stripes sewn within their sleeve ranks, or above or beneath ranks, denoting their service during WW 1. I can't seem to remember seeing any those in triangular form though.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:40 am 
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The couple are Violette and Etienne Szabo: http://www.violetteszabo.org/

"Lieutenant Violette Szabó, George Cross, Croix de Guerre with Star, Médaille de la Résistance, was a renowned undercover secret agent for SOE (Special Operations Executive) in occupied France during the Second World War (1939-1945).

In August 1940, she married Adj.-chef of the 13th DBLE, Etienne Szabó, Légion d'Honneur, Médaille Militaire, Croix de Guerre with Star and Palm, Colonial Medal, a career legionnaire of great leadership qualities, who led his men from the front with formidable courage in Norway, Bir Hakeim and El Alamein - to name just a few battles. On 24 October 1942, he was killed leading his men in the impossible deception plan at El Himeimat, south of El Alamein."


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Here is my uniform as it is so far:


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:41 pm 
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Hi,

nice impression!

Thanks for the name, it helped a lot.
Etienne Szabo was killed as he was an Adjudant-chef, but he was a Sergent-chef when he married Violette in 1940.
The rank insignia for a Sergent-chef is 3 chevrons. Their colour is gold for foot troops and silver for mounted troops.
What we can see on your picture are these 3 golden chevrons (13e DBLE was a foot unit).

A couple of examples from the internet:
A Sergent from the Saharian troops (only 2 chevrons)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/SGT_Bie_saharienne_portee_1939.jpg

A Sergent-chef from the Gendarmerie (in fact called Maréchal des Logis Chef)
http://www.asphm.com/uniformes/francais/gendarme_45_bcc/45_bcc_04.jpg

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 20:38 pm 
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If you wish to portray a Sergent-Chef, you might well be interested in this pair of chevrons:

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Galons-Sergent-Chef-MDL-Chef-Troupes-Montees-Veste-Kakhie-France-39-40-/190901311610?pt=FR_JG_Collections_Militaria_Uniformes&hash=item2c729ad87a

Quite expensive, but this seller is reliable and has some good stuff.

Hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:26 am 
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Thank you for that Pierre. Very useful.
Having already sent for braid for the Adjudant chef rank I will probably stick with that
I hope what I bought work together.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 14:13 pm 
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Hi Simon,

I think it does. Are the ranks in your post shoulder slips or are they to be sewn on the bottom of the sleeves?
They are correct for the period anyway, being made of real gold instead of the synthetic stuff used from the mid-60s.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 21:02 pm 
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They are sleeve rank markings.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 19:45 pm 
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Hi again,

as I was looking for other information at work, I noticed that green ties worn by the Legionnaires are a post-war thing.

http://traditions.legion-etrangere.cc/la-cravate-verte/

"Colour of the ties worn in the Legion was not defined by WW2. It first appeared in 1945, from the using of green ties surplus of the Chantiers de Jeunesse. Its wearing was still not general at that date and it was not before 1947 that all Legionnaires wore this new distinctive mark".

Here are some repro French khaki "régate" ties:
http://www.nicecollection.fr/reproductions-1939-1945-uniformes/150-1939-1945-cravate-regate.html

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