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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 16:43 pm 
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Whats more correct for a Ranger an M1A1 or an M1928A1?

Oh and just in case its for ETO 1944-1945.

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Andy,

I'm taking it that your after info relating to a 5th Ranger ?? If that was the case then it would more than likely be M1 or M1A1 by that date. M1928's were used by all the battalions during training and by the 1st, 3rd and 4th in combat and possibly the 6th but I'd need to check on that.

Hope this helps fella and good luck with it.

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Yes it was Dave.

Cheers mate, as im looking at getting a Thompson as im a young Corporal who "Inherited" it from a body on the beach hehe and was wondering if it was more worthwhile getting an M1A1 than an M1928A1.

But thanks again mate for the info :D

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No probs fella,

Without wishing to teach you suck eggs mate, I would just check the 5th Ranger TOE. I know from the 1943 Ranger TOE that Thompson issue was reserved for Sgt.s and above and only certain numbers were issued. I cannot comment for sure, on Thompson issue for the 5th but you'd also need the associated bags/pouches to carry the ammunition as well. Also bear in mind that if you 'found' the weapon on the beach, once you'd be rested you would have gone back to your original weapon.

Sorry mate, I'm not trying to P*** on your chips, just trying to bring it to your attention. Good luck with it, if it's a weapon your after then look at the the technical grades as this does offer an alternative and a Carbine may be the way forward ?

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Well just looking at a few pictures most Corporals have the M1 Garand and i'm buying one of them anyway.

In fact i think its roughly 1 Corporal to a Company anyway so i think i'm the wrong rank anyway hehe

But once i find the TO&E i will have look and see what turns up, but i have to say you may well be right about Sgt's etc with them.

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It's one of thsoe small anomolies within the 2nd and 5th battalions, per head of men there weren't that many Corporals and they had specific roles in most cases. Thompson issue was quite specific but they were 'aquired' hence you'd need to cehck the 5th TOE. I'll have look tonight for you mate and dig some info out.

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As a matter of interest, what ranks were the squad leaders and assistants in the 2nd/5th Rangers in June 1944?

Had they upgraded the Sgt's/Cpl's to SSgt's/Sgt's, or had they not gotten round to doing it by that point (like the 82nd Airborne hadn't)?

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If my understanding is correct a Ranger Squad consisted of 10 men.

Staff Sergeant - Squad Leader
Sergeant - Assistant Squad Leader
Technician 5th Grade or Corporal - Automatic Rifleman
Private First Class x 3 - Rifleman
Private x4 - Rifleman

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Doubt the strict split between Pvts and PFCs - they're basically interchangeable ranks to the US Army.

The T/5 or Cpl as BAR Gunner is unusual as well compared to other TO/E's.

Where did you get this structure from?

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Just to go off on a slight tangent here,S/Sgt doing the same job a British Cpl would do in a section!.
What would be the rank of the American equivalent to a British Troop/Platoon Sgt?.

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Hi Andy, these three pages are part of the N44 New members pack.

One of 3:

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Plt Hq.
Lt.
Plt Sgt,Tech.
Messanger/runner,Pvt
Sniper,Pvt.

X2 11 man squad per Plt.

Squad leader,s/sgt.
Asst,Squad leader,Cpl.
B A R,Cpl or T5.
Asst B A R,Pvt.
Rifleman X5 Pvt.
Scout X2 Pvt,lead scout armed with .45 m1a1.

Mortar Squad.
mortar squad leader[gunner] s/sgt
Asst[asst gunner]Cpl.
Ammo bearer x3.

The assault squad could be detailed with any array of equipment required for specific tasks from bazookas to flamethrowers etc.

The above info taken fom R.W.Blacks book.

Situation's depict a weapon/tactic,But not the gangsta pose mode.

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Hi Dave,
I think our info was based on the TO/E for the Rangers in May 1944. I dare say it varies during the war.

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Just to go off on a slight tangent here,S/Sgt doing the same job a British Cpl would do in a section!.
What would be the rank of the American equivalent to a British Troop/Platoon Sgt?.

Thanks for any response.
Gary


Hi Sea Soldier,

Not 100% certain, but as far as i am aware - the equivalent US rank to Troop/Platoon Sgt would be 1st Sgt/Master Sgt. :?

The US 1st Sgt/Master Sgt rank's are perculier in that they are both regarded as equal in status for seniority and pay purposes - the only differance that i have noticed, is that it would appear that if a unit had a high proportion of "technical" or higher ranking enlisted grades, they tended to get a 1st Sgt at "top-shirt" and if the unit was made up of a more routine rank structure, it appears they had a Master Sgt as their "No-1"...However - that is just my observation...no doubt i will be quickly corrected!!! :lol:

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A Platoon Sergeant is a Staff Sergeant early in the war, then a Technical Sgt (3 Stripes, 2 rockers) from early/mid-1944.

Dave (Bilko) - your TO/E for the platoon there looks like the "standard" Infantry platoon (albeit with a mix of early and late war NCO ranks), not the typical Ranger one.

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As i mentioned that info was taken from R.W Black book,Rangers in ww2..None of the above prove the wide use of the thompson like some wish it to be..[side note,it was a very popular weapon with the force and issued acordingley].

Apart from the 2nd ID's assault on Breast when a higher than normal allotment of thompsons was dished out.


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