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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 19:46 pm 
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Hi guys jus wondering would all 2nd ranger helmets be marked with the ranger symbol on the back??
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Depends on which peeriod you are portraying ?

If it's pre invasion then most were marked with the battalion Tactical marking, this continued through to Brittany. After this it gets a little flaky and many replacement Rangers and Helmets were not always marked. There are pictures of the markings being used throughout the war, right up until the end of the war when the battalion were in Czechoslovakia but it wasn't always on every pot.

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it would be jus after d-day so thery would have it?

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If they lost a helmet on the beach and picked up another then no. But, if they still had their original helmet then yes.
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it would be jus after d-day so thery would have it?

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ok thanks steve jus so i know the chin strap wasnt done up because they thought a shell blast might lift their lid and the strap would go round their throat and strangle them?

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No its cos theyre sloppy buggers :wink:

Although all around them the 29ers were wearing their chinstraps :shock:

You know its a funny issue - as the Germans used their chinstraps most of the time - while the Yanks run around with one hand carrying their weopon and the other holding the helmet on :roll:

While the Brits have sprung chin straps that breack when stressed, so that it comes off before doing you neck any harm - but when they bring in the MK111 they go back to a normal chinstrap.

Is it not possible that this was only really an issue with the design of Brit helmets as they would catch much more pressure than other designs - but then people have assumed that this is the reason when other armies dont use the chinstrap ??

they use it on Fritz and indeed Mitch pattern helmets :wink:

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Gen. Gerhardt's orders were Chinstraps at all times. Any 29er caught without it done up was in for trouble.

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what about 101a/b? how would they be seen with it in the field?

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Andy Whyberd wrote:
Gen. Gerhardt's orders were Chinstraps at all times. Any 29er caught without it done up was in for trouble.


However, study of photos of the 29th shows that this wasn't 100% followed to say the least...

Unless the General was around of course!

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GlenM wrote:
Andy Whyberd wrote:
Gen. Gerhardt's orders were Chinstraps at all times. Any 29er caught without it done up was in for trouble.


However, study of photos of the 29th shows that this wasn't 100% followed to say the least...

Unless the General was around of course!

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very true.

he lightened up on this point considerably. either done up on the chin or around the back. just not left dangling.


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There are pictures of Rangers with and without wearing the helmet straps down. Guess it was personal preference, never heard of any direct order being issued to the Rangers about this.

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ok thanks guys ill leave mine undone easier to take off when im "dead"

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Hi Pvt Crane,

As my "Lt" (Beachmaster) would probably agree - we like "our" Rangers to have their chinstrap's done-up on the back of their pots, if not being done-up under the chin, as they: A, - Look sloppy and unprofessional, B, - Look toooo "hollywood" :lol: and most importantly C - they catch on webbing/clothing etc, and can cause quite a bit of damage to valuable kit!

IMHO - would a WW2 soldier really have wanted to have his chin-strap's swinging around and hitting him in the face when he ran? - or clinking around next to his ears, when out on a recon patrol, when his hearing was one of the most important things in the world to him? (while he's listening to gingle,gingle...clink, clink - he might not hear the snaping of a twig, or the rustling of a bush, until it's too late! :cry: )

I'd say - do up the strap behind your helmet, and forget about it! :wink:

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ok if i do become a ranger in the long run i will but at the min im still 101a/b thanks very much to all

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pvt_crane wrote:
ok thanks steve jus so i know the chin strap wasnt done up because they thought a shell blast might lift their lid and the strap would go round their throat and strangle them?
saw a program a while back cant remember if it was rangers but vet was been interviewed and he said reason they didnt wear chin straps was if you had to jump in to water with your chin strap on it would snap your neck. he was speaking of what he saw . on the day

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I have to agree with Minty on this one, either have it hooked up at the back of the helmet or have it attached under your chin. I'm not a fan of chinstraps flopping about like a monkey's ding dong, especially if they hit you in the face. :wink:

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