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 Post subject: Use of Ross rifle
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:16 am 
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Would anyone know if the Ross rifles that were used by the LDV, early Home Guard were all Mk IIIs or were earlier models also used? Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Use of Ross rifle
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 17:56 pm 
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I asked the question of one or two of Haworth HG members .. got this back

As far as I know the Ross rifles used by the LDV/Home Guard were all Ross Mk III.
It's well known that the Canadian Expeditionary Force lost confidence in the Ross in the field in France and Flanders, and moves were made around June 1916 to exchange their rifles for British SMLE pattern.
The British had ordered 100,000 Ross MKIII on 15 Sept 1914, but because of production problems that order was never fulfilled after 66,590 had been completed and was cancelled.
When the Ross was handed back and returned to Canada by the Can Exped Force, the British took over 95,674 presumably Ross MkIII's - they would be the ones laid up until the emergency in 1940.

The Ross was an excellent target rifle, well engineered, but the Canadians had problems with the mud of Flanders in the mechanism, and it disliked British MkVII .303 ammunition.

I have a picture of my dad in a line-up in Nov 1940 with DEN11 (Ministry of Food) Battalion, Home Guard at Penrhos College in Colwyn Bay, Wales. In it he is at the order with a Ross MkIII. He told me it was so out of true that they joked it would fire round corners.


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Excellent rifle, Most Ross rifles at the end of WW1 were Mk3, its only down fall was, if the bolt wasn't assembled back correctly after strip down, the lugs on the end of the bolt don't engage the receiver which you can just about see. This happened to a member in my great uncles Home Guard Platoon when a bolt from a Ross rifle flew back and hit him in the face and hospitalized him, luckily there is a lug on the receiver that stopped it passing through his head.


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You may find this interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaSui_UqDX8

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I've seen that before ... on TV though .... a documentary program, part of the Witness to War series I think ... very interesting and explanatory re; the straight pull bolt problem.

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The Home Guards in this photograph fire at the 'enemy' with Ross rifles behind the cover of a post-box during an exercise involving the Home Guard, ARP (Air Raid Precautions) personnel and the police in Northern Command on 20 July 1941. After a bitter struggle, the 'enemy' forces succeeded in taking the town but were later overpowered.

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This book may have the answer, Britain's Final Defence:-

https://www.theworks.co.uk/p/military-b ... 0750967310

Britain's Final Defence is the first book to explore the efforts made to arm the home defence force between 1940 and 1944 and describe the full range of weaponry available for Britain's last stand against invading Axis forces.

An added bonus RRP:£25 Save£3.01 (12% Off RRP) Only £21.99

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There is no argument that the HG used the Ross, harking back to the OP, it was about whether or not any other model than the Mk III was used ?

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LookDuckandVanish wrote:
This book may have the answer, Britain's Final Defence:-

https://www.theworks.co.uk/p/military-b ... 0750967310

Britain's Final Defence is the first book to explore the efforts made to arm the home defence force between 1940 and 1944 and describe the full range of weaponry available for Britain's last stand against invading Axis forces.

An added bonus RRP:£25 Save£3.01 (12% Off RRP) Only £21.99


Also lots available on Amazon here
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/0750967315/ref=tmm_hrd_new_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1513795381&sr=8-1

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So far all the photos i've seen mave been Mk IIIs. However, i've not seen many Mk IIIs for sale, but odly enough I do see Mk IIs.

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I have only ever seen MK111's on issue to the HG, no MK111B's. I think the UK gave the Mk111B's to Russia.

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