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 Post subject: Re: .410 shotgun
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 21:13 pm 
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Excellent read, although it does throw up a few questions, for instance the article includes Springfield 03's and M1 Garand rifles, and when I asked about them no one could recall seeing any photo's or even mention of the Home Guard being issued with them, but then again it also mentions the number 75 Hawkins mine as being issued to HG, but the Coleshill forum couldn't find a mention of it being issued to the Auxiliary, even though it would have been perfect for them.


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 Post subject: Re: .410 shotgun
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Kev, there are all sorts of strange corners of the subject of the Home Guard.

One thing is for sure, very little was completely standard across the breadth of a million strong improvised army.

That paper is pretty good though. I'd probably combine that with any local info you can find from whatever unit you portray. Try writing a letter to your local newspaper saying you are researching the Home Guard and can anyone help... the old boys read local newspapers, they don't read Facebook :D

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I hate Facebook, I'll admit that my researching could be broader, and the question I raised here was just a part of an idea that came to mind, to see if anyone here could throw light on it from their research, so I'll try to discover more info from somewhere else, maybe the local paper, but more likely shooting magazines from the period, the actual people who lived through those dark days keep getting fewer !!!


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Well, i'd ask now and not wait much longer.

HG reenactors of the future won't have the chance to ask!

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Re Number 75 Hawkins mine: "The Home Guard" S P Mackenzie 1995, page 93 says "Grenades of this sort (i.e. Sticky bombs) - as well as the more commonly used Mills bomb and Hawkins anti-tank mine - were helpful, but what was really needed was some sort of close support weapon... (such as the Northover projector)".


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The Garand's were discussed before on another thread. I thought someone suggested they were kept in store and some found their way to the Royal Marines post-war.

I think I have seen a picture of Springfield's being used in the past but don't ask me where.


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The 75 grenade could be used as anti tank or anti personnel mine, or demolition charge, or as a trip mine booby trap, and would have been perfect for the Home Guard Auxiliary units, but when I asked on the Coleshill forum, an administrator replied that in all of the paperwork searched no mention of the number 75 was found as being issued to any Auxiliary units, only ordinary explosives and (of course) plastic explosive.


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I have heard that the Garand rifle was in Royal Marine use during the Sicily landings, but can't verify it, The Springfield 03 in Home Guard hands, would be nice to know more about that one.


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I believe the '03s were used by the NZ HGs.

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The Garands ended up with the RAF and Combined Operations.

Some of the Springfield were given to the Free French.

NONE of the above ended up with the British Home Guard.

The Doctoral mentioned above has been converted into a book. I just got a copy off Amazon and am reading it now. It is:

Britain's Final Defence. Arming the Home Guard, 1940-1944. By Dale Clarke.

The chapter on artillery maned by the HG is very good.

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I've heard of mk4 smle's being converted to 410 before for a cheap single shot shot gun time line slips me though


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I have just watched this documentary , at 36 minutes a gentleman who was in the City of London HG said he was issued with a Ross P37 in 300 rimless . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmbMIYGOebs

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As far as I know the Ross was issued in .303 though it was designed for a rimmed .280 . I am not aware of any military issue Ross rifle, Lord knows I am no expert, in .300 . I suspect he is referring to the P17. His unit might have started of with the Ross which then were replaced by P17s.

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Or, you can by the book which the author of the PhD thesis has written.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_no ... home+guard

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The Ross was defently used by the Home Guard, not sure of Mk, my great uncle told me of an incident of a Ross bolt hitting someone in the face and being hospitalised because the bolt was assembled wrong, which can easily happen.


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Which was one of many reasons why it was withdrawn front frontline Canadian service and replaced by the SMLE. The M1910 Mk III Ross had the bolt problem, not the MK II, It was fixed with a rivet, but how many got the fix is another story.

Check this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaSui_UqDX8

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