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 Post subject: Daytime Patrols
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 17:33 pm 
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I have what may be a silly question! I know that the Home Guard performed nightly patrols all the time they were in existence but did they do anything routinely during the daytime? Does anyone know of any daytime patrols
or other activities apart from Sunday exercises?

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As far as I am aware, because of the largely reserve occupation status of the members, it was evenings and about 48hrs a week - which will have allowed for workers (such as my family members) who worked shift work to still take an active part.

However, a little google I did for you just now (because I was interested in the answer too), reveals this:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vr8 ... me&f=false

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Thanks for that link - interesting. I guess - like most things to do with the Home Guard - it varied throughout the HG but there doesn't seem to have been anything formal during the daytime.

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Scroll down this page until you reach the piece on Private Thomas Harper. The interesting quote is:-

Describing tactics when on patrol, he said: "By night be alert, by day move slowly".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191365/Forget-Dads-Army-newly-released-war-records-shows-Britains-Home-Guard-Lads-Army-somethings-teenagers.html

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What about road blocks, taking over guarding airfields during the build up for D-Day and after? Not to mentioned being expected to help out the Civil Defense after a bombing.

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Not sure about those things actually. If you think about the HG being essential in their day jobs for war work then you have to wonder how they found time for other things.

To add to your list, some AA and coastal defence artillery work too, but I think that was largely post-DDay

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You're correct of course, about the road blocks etc requiring daytime duty - maybe that was just for those who were waiting to join up or otherwise without dayjobs? I know of local (Margate) HG men being transferred to artillery postings well before D Day but I don't think they were required to attend parades, etc with the other HG men; one I spoke to said he didn't have much to do with the rest of the HG at all.

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The HG old boy I spoke to who was on a Z Battery in Gillingham definitely didn't do anything else but AA detail. And you'd imagine that they needed to man the guns 24x7, not just evenings and weekends!

Then again, with most war industries running 24x7 too, maybe some people working nights could work the day shifts?

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Also by 1943 wasn't there an element of conscription to the HG too?

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HGs only manned AA sites at night to relieve the Regular army who manned them in the daytime.

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The regular AA boys used Z batteries?

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Andrei Kozlov wrote:
The regular AA boys used Z batteries?


e.g. The battery was manned during the day by the men and women (ATS) of the 227 (M) [Mixed i.e. with ATS] Anti-Aircraft Regt RA, and during the night by the men of the new 101st Battalion Leicestershire Home Guard, hence the joint designation ‘227 (101st Leicestershire Home Guard) (‘Z’) Anti-Aircraft Rocket Battery’

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Here's some interesting stuff actually:

http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index ... pic=6749.0

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