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Happy to see government taking a stance on guns. Hope this won't affect the fun and pleasure of all re-enactors. Just a point (tell me if i'm wrong, but be nice because i have feelings :)) but i think that this sort of thing should be decided on responsibilty and not age. Why not have tests for those who wish to buy. Most people won't take test (won't waste Govt. time) and even som eover 18s are extremely irresponsible.

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Happy to see government taking a stance on guns. Hope this won't affect the fun and pleasure of all re-enactors. Just a point (tell me if i'm wrong, but be nice because i have feelings :)) but i think that this sort of thing should be decided on responsibilty and not age. Why not have tests for those who wish to buy. Most people won't take test (won't waste Govt. time) and even som eover 18s are extremely irresponsible.
I must have missed that one. What stance is that?
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I would imagine its because lots of anti-social crime is committed by 10-20 year olds. And there is a precident in law making 18 the age of "Adult Perks".... Vote/Drink/Smoke (its 18 now to buy) etc etc.

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Hi all,

Hate to say it, but this thread isn't a thread for "discussion" postings.

Start up new threads in this section if you want to discuss or comment on any of the Acts or Guidance posted on this thread.

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Seems to flow as a question based on the legislation...

To follow on, the VCR brings under 18 re-enacting as a point for further discusion.

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Cheif Chinthe wrote:
Seems to flow as a question based on the legislation...

To follow on, the VCR brings under 18 re-enacting as a point for further discusion.

I'm tempted to start a new thread but will answer this for you if I can.
It doesn't call under 18 re-enacting into question - It calls the use and ownership of RIF's by under 18s IN re-enacting into question. In short it says they can't purchase or sell - I don't know how they stand with the existing ones they own - I must check but I THINK they can not legally own now.....

Under 18s don't need to handle a weapon -but they can still re-enact....

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Just noticed that this thread doesn't actually include a link to the (Revised) Firearms Act 1968 itself...

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/ ... 80027_en_1

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All the ammendments, 'safeguards and checks' for reenactors, suposedly allow everyone to continue. Unfortunately ,if you are now longer allowed to sell on privately owned property, a corner stone of British democracy is fundamentally removed or undermined.

Simply being 'allowed' to continue using a deactivated collectable, is not enough.

Until this point, the forum, and NARES have all done a great job, keeping reenacting on track.
Unfortunately, this sorry government really are here, to ruin your reenacting day.
Continuing to issue, disseminate and cooperate with government legislation, is no longer a productive or worthy activity.

Slow the whole process down. Make it so that ministers have to contact people individually, to announce/introduce the new measures, rather than just contact organisations, associations, who readily expedite all their
waffle for them.

Any subsequent government, will have to re-draft the VCR, because its so badly written, ill thought through and total nonsense. You cannot logically define a deactivated weapon, as an immitation replica. Temporarily, common sense has been suspended.

Its not up to reenactors, to prove bonafide status. The onus, in law, is and allways should be, on the authorities to do otherwise.


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Found this blog article on the Osprey website with an official government reponse to the threat posed to re-enactment by proposed changes to the VCR bill:

http://www.ospreyblog.com/blog/2008/05/ ... ffice.html

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All I can say is, I await the response with respect to the vital question...

"Mr Brown, where do you feel the Labout government will conjour up the funds to recompence the tens of thousands of lawfull possessors of currently legally de-commissioned firarms? And furthermore, what effect can this have in the light of the fact that all crime is increasing, not due to lawlessness rising, but due to Police being pressurised to "Bean count" crime!"

Also...

"Is it not true that the VCR has been a total waste of time, achieving nothing but a big financial drain on our economy... Time the dead horse was reprived from the flogging"

Knife crime is more of an issue than gun crime. Less than 1 in 500 calls to Police in Hertfordshire 2007, involved a gun, and of that only 1 in 10 resulted in a crime.

Whilst my thoughts are NOT the official view of my constabulary, they are indeed garnered from my personal experiences as a Police Officer.

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hi guys got this e-mail today from number 10? http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page16520

Thank you for signing the e-Petition about deactivated firearms.

The Home Secretary made an announcement in January about deactivated firearms following police concerns about their increasing use in crime. Of particular concern are guns deactivated before 1995 when tough new standards were introduced for the deactivation of live guns making them harder to re-activate.

We are aware that many deactivated firearms are owned by genuine responsible collectors and we want to allow this to continue as far as possible. We will consult the Association of Chief Police Officers and other interested parties later this year on the best way forward, which allows genuine collectors to continue while depriving criminals of the opportunity to misuse de-activated guns. This will be a public consultation and the consultation paper will be available through the Home Office website, www.homeoffice.gov.uk. Re-enactors would be very welcome to send a response to this consultation once it is launched

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Is this a new development or has it been mentioned already?

http://weaponsonline.proboards76.com/in ... hread=1144


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well for those of us that dont want to register to yet another forum perhaps you can give us a precis of what its says then ?

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Sorry I assumed that visitors could read the forum without registering.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/ ... d-firearms

If you read this link you will be able to see that the consultation period is now open untill the 25th of May to comment on the Goverments proposals to strengthen the law on deactivated firearms.

I certainly would not suggest paying over the odds on pre95 weapons at the moment as they are the most likely to be targeted.


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Cheers for the additional link ....


Hmm.... in a nutshell they are saying this:

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A range of options is being considered. These are:
(a)to treat deactivated guns as realistic imitation firearms; (that will then come under the VCR act 2007)

(b ) to make deactivation standards mandatory; to require pre-1995 deactivations to be modified to the 1995 standard; (at the cost of the owner)

(c ) to sell deactivated guns only through registered firearms dealers; to prohibit certain convicted offenders from buying deactivated guns;

(d) and to do nothing.

What bothers me from the outset is that the Government seems happy to ignore official statisitics that say in the 2007/2008 period only THREE deactivated guns were found to be re-activated (three out of an estimated 180,000 deacts in the UK is rather insignificant) ...especially when you consider how many more illegally imported live firearms were used.

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