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going to have this made a sticky [GlenM: your wish is my command, although you could just have done it yourself.... :lol: ], with all the relevant laws and ammendments for people to easily access, feel free to add anymore that you think have been left off.

but let this thread have only the links for the laws on, if you want to start a discussion about one, start a new thread so the info isnt lost through the pages.

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FIREARMS (PROOFING) ACT, 1968 EIRE ONLY BRITISH ACT DIFFERENT

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1968_20.html

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Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Uk ... .htm#mdiv8

Firearms (Amendment) Act 1992
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1992/Uk ... 1_en_1.htm

Firearms (Amendment) Act 1994
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1994/Uk ... 1_en_1.htm

Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/1997005.htm

Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/1997064.htm

Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/20060038.htm


again, feel free to add any other laws you think relate to what we do.


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FIREARMS (PROOFING) ACT, 1968

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1968_20.html

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Errrm, that's only applicable in Eire. Please check what you post before you give "advice" of this nature!

GlenM: plenty of Irish Republic re-enactors on here Dave. It can stay as valid to them. Cheers, Glen.

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ok, changed that to eire only.

but im only putting them up not offering "advice", upto others to do the research into which applies to them :wink:

been looking around for a bit but can only find broken up references to the 1968 firearms act, anyone know where a full copy is? as the public sector information website only goes back to 1972 (how handy :evil: )

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commando sniper wrote:
FIREARMS (PROOFING) ACT, 1968

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1968_20.html

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Errrm, that's only applicable in Eire. Please check what you post before you give "advice" of this nature!

GlenM: plenty of Irish Republic re-enactors on here Dave. It can stay as valid to them. Cheers, Glen.


My concern is people would look at it and read as applicable to the UK!

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You may find this interesting too, 2002 I know, but still applicable until revised ..

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-an ... iew=Binary

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The majority of British legislation, from all periods, is now available at:

http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/

Just search using the boxes at the top of the page. The advantage over the OPSI site is that this site also includes amendments and notations in earlier Acts and Regulations; although not in all cases just yet.

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http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/20072606.htm

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grenmartens wrote:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/20072606.htm

Hot off the press, the latest (for now).


Hmmmm........

Is anyone else concerned about the consequences of the only which has slipped into the defence for manufacturing, importing or selling a RIF?

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Defences to an offence under section 36 of the 2006 Act or under paragraph 4 of Schedule 2 to that Act
3. —(1) It shall be a defence in proceedings for an offence under section 36 of the 2006 Act or under paragraph 4 of Schedule 2 to that Act for the person charged with the offence to show that his conduct was for the purpose only of making the imitation firearm in question available for one or more of the purposes specified in paragraph (2).
(2) Those purposes are—
(a) the organisation and holding of permitted activities for which public liability insurance is held in relation to liabilities to third parties arising from or in connection with the organisation and holding of those activities;
(b) the purposes of display at a permitted event.


We understood that 'use by re-enactor' would be a defence.... yes? But the inclusion of the only surely means that the defence is actually much narrower than that and is actually something more akin to 'for use at a permitted re-enactment only'..... yes?

If the foregoing is right then is a a re-enactor (or come to that an airsofter) who imports or manufactures a RIF and then displays it on his wall at home (wrong IMO but it happens) in breach of the VCRA as at times the RIF is being used for an illegal purpose (display being tantamount to collecting and you can't now import or make replicas to collect....)????????

Similarly, does this mean that one can only defend what one might actually use? So if you're a WW2 re-enactor who is only kitted out for and who only does WW2 re-enactments then the defence doesn't allow you to import a RIF of a 1980s SLR or similar???????

And if the foregoing is right, where does a seller of RIFs stand in all this as a seller has no direct control over what the buyer eventually does with the RIF???????

Is NAReS or some other representative body looking at the content of the SI and what it actually means in practice? If the defence is as narrow as I am questioning it to be then this needs to be drawn to the re-enactment community's attention otherwise someone could end up as an unfortunate test case........




EDIT: Taking it a stage further still, surely this isn't a defence of a 'being a re-enactor' but a defence of 'making available only for re-enactment'??? Does this mean an armourer who doesn't re-enact can manufacture or import as long as the RIFs are only used in permitted re-enactments??????? Hmmmmmm (scratches head)...... if right isn't this taking us further down the road of (eg) blank-firers being hired to rather then owned by re-enactors???????????


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Another way to read it also is that if for whatever reason a person modifies an RIF, without making it a section 1 or 5, then as long as it was done for use only as described, it can be a defence .. ???

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EDIT: Taking it a stage further still, surely this isn't a defence of a 'being a re-enactor' but a defence of 'making available only for re-enactment'??? Does this mean an armourer who doesn't re-enact can manufacture or import as long as the RIFs are only used in permitted re-enactments??????? Hmmmmmm (scratches head)...... if right isn't this taking us further down the road of (eg) blank-firers being hired to rather then owned by re-enactors???????????


That's exactly how I read it - RIF's can be made/imported/sold for the purposes of "making available" for re-enactments.

This makes perfect sense to me. It is putting the burden on the manufacturer/importer/seller to ensure that they are only making/importing/selling RIF's to members of bona-fide (as specified in the SI) re-enactment groups.

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GlenM wrote:
This makes perfect sense to me. It is putting the burden on the manufacturer/importer/seller to ensure that they are only making/importing/selling RIF's to members of bona-fide (as specified in the SI) re-enactment groups.


Yes, though I'd add something on the end which limits the scope of the defence:

they are only making/importing/selling RIF's to members of bona-fide re-enactment groups only for use in permitted re-enactments

The way I read it is that the inclusion of the only means that just because someone is a re-enactor doesn't mean they've got a 'get out of jail free' card, in the end it coming down to what they actually do with the RIF ..........


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Another forum member has tracked down the following document:

Home Office Circular 031 / 2007
The Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 (Commencment No3) Order 2007: Firearms Measures


which is dated 25/09/07 (ie, today) and can be viewed here

The circular includes a link to a document which covers matters of effective implementation of the VCRA of which some relevant paras concerning RIFs are:

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Strangely, now that I’ve gone back to the doc to copy the paras into this post it won’t open for me but maybe other forum users will have more luck ….. :? :? :?


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[quote]Sections 36 to 38: Realistic imitation firearms

14. These sections introduce a ban on the supply of realistic imitation firearms.

15. Section 36 makes it an offence to manufacture, import or sell realistic imitation firearms. It also makes it an offence to modify an imitation firearm to make it realistic. Subsection 7 provides that imported realistic imitation firearms will be liable to forfeiture under customs and excise controls.

16. Section 37 provides various defences to the new offence. It makes it a defence to show that the manufacture, importation, sale or modification was only for the purpose of making the realistic imitation firearm available for:

- a museum or gallery;
- theatrical performances and rehearsals of such performances;
- the production of films and television programmes;
- the organisation and holding of historical re-enactments; and
- crown servants.

17. Subsection 3 provides a further defence for businesses to import realistic imitation firearms for the purpose of modifying them to make them non-realistic.

18. Subsection 7 provides that “museum or galleryâ€

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Thanks Dave ...... I was starting to imagine a conspiracy!


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Received our pep talk at work (Hertfordshire Constabulary) today.

Spells out in simple terms Feldjager's linked info.

The VCR is designed to clamp down on violent crime, and it is good to know that the objections to some of the Draconian measures placed for consideration initially have been removed, and the final draft is very workable.

In short, the real adjustments are the age increases for possession and acquisition, and also...

This is the very first act of paliament to mention re-enactment as a justified reason for possession of and offensive weapon. Its good to see the progress.

But seriously, groups with under 18s, just keep an eye on them, and and eye out for the traders to avoid anyone falling fowl of the relevant sections;

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Section 40

Inserts a new section, Section 24A, into the Firearms Act 1968 making it an offence to sell an imitation firearm to a person under the age of 18, or for a person under 18 to purchase one. This Section creates a defence for the vendor to show that he believed that the purchaser was 18 or over and had reasonable grounds for that belief.

Section 43

Only subsections 43(1) and (2) come into force on 1 October. These subsections amend Section 141A (1) of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (prohibition of sale of knives etc. to persons under sixteen) by extending the offence of selling a knife or an article with a blade or point to a person under sixteen to persons under eighteen.



Section 47

Makes provision for searching persons in attendance centres equivalent to that in Section 45 for school pupils and Section 46 for further education pupils (Sections 45 and 46 came into force on 31 May 2007). Under Section 47 a search can only be carried out by the officer in charge of the attendance centre or a person authorised by that officer and can only be carried out on the premises of the centre.

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I think Monday will no tbe so bad. Not been following any of the threads, but thought I would re-assurre as we had our talk today.

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