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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 21:15 pm 
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depends front venting rifle or top venting pistol?
rather easy answer in some ways?

of course its just as dangerous to decide to pretend to have a fight or a cuddle on the floor pretending to fight if you don't know how to do that either.

of course that never happens in a properly scripted battle reenactment, where everyone has practised and walked through the senario beforehand, which is just like every battle i've ever been in.

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Just so I'm sure I know, a top venting pistol/MG/watever is a weapon that shoots all the gasses out a hole in the top right?
And it's a normal rifle, as in it does what the majority of blank firing rifles do, whether that's front vent or top vent. But yeah, a top venting pistol as well.
I'm just asking because pistols are traditionally short range weapons and whilst I know that blatting a few rounds in someone's face with blank rounds at 5m is a good way to not get to the top of their christmas card list, I was wondering what the danger range was. Evidently it seems that owning a blank firing pistol is rather like a broken knitting needle.
No point to it.
But yes, thanks for putting this up because this is a really useful topic. One can always find idiots who will do whatever they do and ignore the rules, but this can minimize the risks at the very least.

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if you don't know where the exhaust port of the gun is then i really think you shouldn't be using one.

first rule of gun usage is know something about your gun, which end is the traditional dangerous end and which end you hold it at is a good start. still not enough to allowed to run about with one.




there's no such thing as a blank firing rifle, unless you are in the SWB or bought one from wendy.
all rifles are live firers (firearm or shotgun) but most reenactment only owners are limited in not being allowed to posess live ammunition. live weapons vent obviously down the barrel.

and if you read past postings on the subject, you'd know all of the problems associated with that.

as for rules - its never SAFE to fire a gun at someone at any distance. the RISK is just reduced.

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treat all guns as potential live,,,,even blank ones
then you get into habbit of treating em as such :wink:
but take extra care of purpose built blank firing weapons
as they are far more dangerouse than live firing weapons
as in they are made of s**t metal
unless built by an armourer such as wendy or steve in nz

they are experts and know what weapons need what metal

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firing a live weapon without a BFA will result in the wadding being projected out of the weapon at a high velocity. Like a bullet! And can cause injuries. It will vary on size of round obviously.

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one of my freinds from my dark age reenactment group was saying about kelmarsh (can't remember which year but before 2009 as I went to that one) and the whole 'multiperiod' battle at the end of the parade on the last day and a yank firing a garand at him at very close range and it ripping the canvas off the front of his shield (he didn't have a leather faced shield then). I've only had limited exsperience with firing guns (played with many deacs though :P), but even I know to respect the fact they are not cap guns and compressed gasses and 'bits' fly out of the end, why do some people not use common sence with these things sometimes...

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firing a live weapon without a BFA will result in the wadding being projected out of the weapon at a high velocity. Like a bullet! And can cause injuries. It will vary on size of round obviously.


The Wadding......................
All blanks are crimped close, for obvious reasons. Anyone who rocks up with dodgy blanks with "Wadding" in them should not be allowed to use them.


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Wadding? :lol:

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steve wrote:
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firing a live weapon without a BFA will result in the wadding being projected out of the weapon at a high velocity. Like a bullet! And can cause injuries. It will vary on size of round obviously.


The Wadding......................
All blanks are crimped close, for obvious reasons. Anyone who rocks up with dodgy blanks with "Wadding" in them should not be allowed to use them.


you've never been hit in the face with broken crimps then?

i made a load of "dodgy blanks" as you call them. having been a muzzle loader for years one gets used to using shreddedtoilet or rice paper or cut grass in battles. if you don't wad a muzzle loader it makes a phut noise.


but the dodgy shredded toilet paper is so much more dangerous than little bits of metal......... i know what i prefer to stand in front of.

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I think they mean lead wadding ;-)

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The BFA on most modern weapons does several jobs, it prevents rubbish being fired out (bits of brass, unburnt powder etc), in the event of someone inadvertently loading and firing a live round it prevents the bullet coming out of the barrel (the BFA on the SA80 is designed to cope with three live rounds without damage) and finally it provides a certain amount of back pressure so that on gas operated weapons some of the gas is available to cycle the working parts rather than it all vanishing out of the barrel.


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you've never been hit in the face with broken crimps then?


No I havent, but I am well aware of this as I demonstrate this against a sheet of A4 paper at safety briefing


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i made a load of "dodgy blanks" as you call them. having been a muzzle loader for years one gets used to using shreddedtoilet or rice paper or cut grass in battles. if you don't wad a muzzle loader it makes a phut noise.


I know about this also

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but the dodgy shredded toilet paper is so much more dangerous than little bits of metal......... i know what i prefer to stand in front of.


And this is the part that concerns me, people firing these out of bolt action rifles. Dont get me wrong, wadding can be used if need be, but unless you use the correct material, you can be firing a projectile.
The correct material in this case being the green florists foam stuff they use. It vapourises upon firing


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rockhopper wrote:
The BFA on most modern weapons does several jobs, it prevents rubbish being fired out (bits of brass, unburnt powder etc), in the event of someone inadvertently loading and firing a live round it prevents the bullet coming out of the barrel (the BFA on the SA80 is designed to cope with three live rounds without damage) and finally it provides a certain amount of back pressure so that on gas operated weapons some of the gas is available to cycle the working parts rather than it all vanishing out of the barrel.



While true, we dont use modern weapons at reenactment events. Using the garand as an example, they are BFAed by screwing a false cylinder lock on the end which a real projectile would rip off in no time. Also i know that the average garand BFA is around 4mm dia, and I have seen a person receive a hit in the leg from 20 ft after a piece of brass got out the BFA.


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Jon Erik Hexum&Brandon Lee
two people killed with "Blank guns"
tbh Brandon Lee's death couldnt happen if all blanks are checked before an reenactment event
and Jon Eriks.... well dont play russian roulette with Blanks......

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Jon Erik Hexum&Brandon Lee
two people killed with "Blank guns"
tbh Brandon Lee's death couldnt happen if all blanks are checked before an reenactment event
and Jon Eriks.... well dont play russian roulette with Blanks......


No they wernt killed with "blank" guns. They were killed with real guns that fired blanks, and in the case of Brandon Lee, it shows you how much power is in a blank to drive a projectile down a rifled barrel.
You can read on the net about testing that showed a point blank shot to the chest with a blank will stop the heart.


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