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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 13:29 pm 

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This is a part of a document.

You can read the name of a Spanish SS volunteer:

SS-Personalhauptamt Amt II W Bln.-Charlottenburg, den 3.Jan.1945
II W II - Abteilung 3 Wilmersdorferstr. 98/99
Betr.: Ãœbernahme von Offizieren fremder Wehrmachten.
Die nachstehend aufgeführten Offiziere werden mit dem angegebenen Dienstgrad in die Waffen-SS übernommen:

Als Waffen-sturmbannführer: geb. m.W.v
Sepp Jakob 20/10/1998 01/12/1944 Gen.Insp.d.estn.W-Frw.Lg
Als Waffen-hauptsturmführer:
Ausmees Eduard 18/08/1902 03/11/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Blaze Karlis 22.06.1897 01/03/1944 SS-Art.A.u.E.Rgt
Blums Otto 24/10/1901 15/08/1944 15.waffen-gren.Div.d.SS
Danailoff Bogdan 28.10.1894 15/11/1944 SS-Hauptamt, Amtsgr.D
Jenkevics Rudolfs 23/08/1902 22/10/1944 SS-Gren.A.u.E.Btl.15
Karabasch Abdullah 25/04/1900 15/12/1944 Ostt.W.-Verb.d.SS
Koger Arnold 19/08/1905 15/10/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Kotijeff Gaisa 14/06/1906 09/12/1944 Ostt.W.-Verb.d.SS
Lobodytsch Roman 08.01.1893 01/08/1943 14.Waffen-Gren.L.u.E.Rgt der SS
Mrelaschwili Georg 08/09/1900 01/12/1944 Aufst.d.georg.Reit.Verb.
Muutra Gustav 29.12.1897 13/11/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Olivas Dr.Abel 08/10/1913 01/09/1944 SS-FHA.AmtsgruppeD
Otsing Edgar 03/12/1906 20/10/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Ozols Janis 28/02/1904 05/05/1943 19.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Salmins Alfred 06/06/1902 02/12/1944 19.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Truus Karl 29/12/1906 15/10/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Ustav Sergius 09/10/1900 10/08/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Velmers Karlis 28/11/1901 04/01/1944 19.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Wolbergs Teodors 23/07/1901 24/11/1944 SS-Gren.A.u.E.Btl.15

Als Waffen-Obersturmführer:
Akermanis Vilchelms 24/11/1905 20/10/1943 15.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Are Enn 08/02/1915 16/10/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Cubins Janis 30.09.1899 15/10/1943 15.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Doriot Jacques 26.09.1898 01/11/1944 W-Gr.Brig.d.SS"Charlemagne"
Leppiko Jaan 19/10/1911 01/12/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Lindvet Gleb 03/11/1916 13/02/1944 SS-FHA,Amtsgruppe D
Lipping Elmar 07/03/1906 30/10/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Nelke Jaan 07/01/1907 15/10/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Nigmati Schihap 27/12/1913 15/12/1944 Ostt.W.-Verb.d.SS
Ortsily Kemal 25/12/1909 15/12/1944 Ostt.W.-Verb.d.SS
Piksis Janis 02/10/1910 15/03/1944 19.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Roze Erichs 23/07/1906 23/03/1944 19.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Tamme Feliks 25/12/1914 15/10/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Toqtonazarew Toqtosum 15/01/1910 15/10/1944 Ostt.W.-Verb.d.SS
Vilo Heinz 21/01/1921 01/12/1944 SS-Gren.A.u.E, Einh.20
Als Waffen-Untersturmführer:
Arnis Jazeps 09/08/1912 17/02/1944 19.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Audering Karl 17/02/1901 01/12/1944 30.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Baumanis Fricis 30/04/1902 20/10/1944 19.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Lumpis Voldemars 22/06/1916 12/04/1943 15.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS
Husein Imanow 01/01/1908 02/12/1944 Ostt.W.-Verb.d.SS
Kaasik Ilmar 15/10/1944 01/12/1944 Rsi-HA,Militärisches Amt, Stabsabt.i.SS-…
Knoks Waldis 13/10/1912 15/12/1943 SS-Art.A.u.E.Rgt
Koolmeister Emil 10…..1914 15/10/1944 20.Waffen-Gren.Div.d.SS


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 13:59 pm 
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That is a good name 8)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 16:21 pm 
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Cookie wrote:
The French WH unit and the remnants of the LVF and the Milice were transferred to the W-SS and became variously known as 'Sturmbrigade Charlemagne' Waffen-Brigade Charlemagne der Franzosische Nr.1' and then finally the '33rd Waffen-Grenadier Division Charlemagne' which numbered some 7,200 men. I'm sure they had some other names and kampfgruppe titles when they all got split up on the eastern front. I know that about 300 volunteers went with Brigade Fhr Dr. Krukenburg (who was orignially from SS Div 'Nordland') to Berlin and put up some serious defence against the Russians alongside 'Nordland' and some other foreign units. They knocked out 90(?) tanks. Some 30 men are known to have surrendered to the Russians and other individuals and small groups made their way out to the west disguised as french forced labourers. They wore two types of arm shield: The first was the WH pattern which had 'france' embroidered at the top and the SS pattern which was just a shield with the french tricolor. There is some confusion as to whether they ever wore a 'Charlemagne' cuff title and if they did was it 'Bevo' or 'RZM'. Some sources point out that men of the engineer company were awarded the titles for their part in combat. They never wore the 'sword' collar tabs.

A very interesting unit, shame there isn't more photos or info about them. The best bit of info I've seen of the foreign units is in the osprey men at arms title. Very good little book that.

Anyone have any better info?

Cheers, Mark A

Speaking to the vets who have lived in Berlin all their lives, they all agree that the French who fought around the diplomatic quarter fought a hard battle and did not sell themselves cheaply, knowing their likely fate.
In the British mindset, the French are often thought of as being poor fighters. 5 years later, in Berlin and wearing a different uniform, they were anything but.

Gluck Ab!


 Post subject: Re: None SS Volunteers
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I cant see alot of these pictures ???


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schultze wrote:
In the British mindset, the French are often thought of as being poor fighters...

Off topic but there is a growing view that, man for man, the French Army were responsible for more German casualties than the BEF in 1940.

Always worth reading Marc Bloch's book from the time. Most post war histories just build on that.....

Anyway, we now return you to your regular programming. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: None SS Volunteers
PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 14:54 pm 
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I would ask the Vietnamese, Algerians and many other nationalities what they think of the French as fighters. The combat record of the French (not just legion) paratroopers in Indochina was far, far in excess of anything endured by the allied paratroopers in WWII. The French had more combat jumps in a couple of months than the allies did in six years. In mountainous, hostile, jungle, not Northwest Europe!

Its about time people got over that jingoistic anti French attitude and started respecting the French for the hardcore soldiers they truly are (and were).



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Yes, the cheese-eating surrender monkeys label came from some article written by some rabid republican hack in the US, when the French had the temerity to suggest that Iraq
could not be legally attacked without a second UN resolution.
Of course being right on the issue only compounded France's duplicity and mendacity in certain quarters.

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