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 Post subject: None SS Volunteers
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 18:40 pm 
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Now i have seen many photographes of Foregin volunteers wearing the uniform of the Waffen SS, but not many like this Frenchman wearing a wehrmacht uniform, does anybody else have photos of foregien volunteers in the Wehrmacht?

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There was a whole division of Spaniards named the " Spanish Blue Division" which was wehrmacht.8) .... But I don't have any pictures ...

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couple more french volunteers pics

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Sean wrote:
does anybody else have photos of foregien volunteers in the Wehrmacht?


Errrm all of the OstLegionen were non-SS (or at least until the very end!), the ROA also weren't SS...

Go on, here's some piccies:

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Thanks for the pics, im assuming the Wehrmacht were first to use foreign volunteers, and if so why did the SS bother having there own foreign volunteers?


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Thanks for the pics, im assuming the Wehrmacht were first to use foreign volunteers, and if so why did the SS bother having there own foreign volunteers?


From 1943 all foreign volunteers, were transferred to the Waffen-SS hence why u see some in WH uniforms and W-SS uniforms this was due to the shortage of manpower.

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From 1943 all foreign volunteers, were transferred to the Waffen-SS hence why u see some in WH uniforms and W-SS uniforms this was due to the shortage of manpower.


I'm not sure thats true for the Osties actually...

If it was, it was at a very high "responsibility/admistrative" point of view... certainly not at ground level.

My old choice of subject, a Kaukasien volunteer unit, was definitely part of a Heer unit (and more confusingly a Luftwaffe infantry division under Heer control) and part of 15th Army in France at June 1944.

By September 44 the bits still alive were all rolled into 1st SS Panzer Armee, but thats not to say they wore SS insignia! Most of the retreating parts of the German army were wrapped up in this formation....

In March 45, the final remainders became Kaukasische Werbande der Waffen SS and finally worse SS insignia...

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The Italians also were in the german forces. luftwaffe mainly, some served with the SS in their own division.

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At first the Germans used the French Volunteers on the Russian Front. But they where not near German fighting Men so they removed them to rear areas only. But as they war went on they started fighting much better. Knowing there fate if Germany lost. The French Waffen SS unit was even in the battel of Berlin


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The French WH unit and the remnants of the LVF and the Milice were transferred to the W-SS and became variously known as 'Sturmbrigade Charlemagne' Waffen-Brigade Charlemagne der Franzosische Nr.1' and then finally the '33rd Waffen-Grenadier Division Charlemagne' which numbered some 7,200 men. I'm sure they had some other names and kampfgruppe titles when they all got split up on the eastern front. I know that about 300 volunteers went with Brigade Fhr Dr. Krukenburg (who was orignially from SS Div 'Nordland') to Berlin and put up some serious defence against the Russians alongside 'Nordland' and some other foreign units. They knocked out 90(?) tanks. Some 30 men are known to have surrendered to the Russians and other individuals and small groups made their way out to the west disguised as french forced labourers. They wore two types of arm shield: The first was the WH pattern which had 'france' embroidered at the top and the SS pattern which was just a shield with the french tricolor. There is some confusion as to whether they ever wore a 'Charlemagne' cuff title and if they did was it 'Bevo' or 'RZM'. Some sources point out that men of the engineer company were awarded the titles for their part in combat. They never wore the 'sword' collar tabs.

A very interesting unit, shame there isn't more photos or info about them. The best bit of info I've seen of the foreign units is in the osprey men at arms title. Very good little book that.

Anyone have any better info?

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The Legion Wallonie was also a (gebirgsjäger) Heer unit.


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"SS-Freiwilligen-Bataillon Nordost" was Finnish voluntary SS battalion.
More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Volunte ... on_Nordost

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try http://forum.axishistory.com/ for foreign volunteer pics.
Not so many in colour though
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These Norwegians were put under the SS, and fought mainly against the communists on the Eastern front. It is known that one single Norwegian batallion was wipes out by the Russians, and a total of 700 Norwegian soldiers of this kind lost their lives on the Eastern front.
A colleague of my father went to the Eastern front in this way, and came back as a blind man.
I saw a program a year ago about a Norwegian who came from Northern Norway, where he went into the German ranks at the age of 16. He was in the SS when the Russians attacked Berlin. His life was spared by a Russian upon confrontation. He took the identity of a dead german soldier, and thus survived the turmoil, and got back to Norway in the end.

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This information is from the book Sourd from John P. Moore and publicade in CD-Rom titled Fuhrerliste der Waffen-SS.

Moore have working since 30 yearsand search in microfilms from National Archives of Washington about German documents specially in Waffen SS

Fuhrerliste der Waffen-SS

Part 5 - Foreign Volunteers Discs

Over 7,000 pages of documents from the personnel files of over, 1,100 foreign volunteer Waffen-SS officers from 28 countries (are mostly Belgians, Danes, Dutch, Estonians, Finns, French, Latvians, Norwegians, Swedes and Swiss).

Breakdown of number of personnel files / number of pages

Belgium 143 / 708
Denmark 124 / 998
Estonia 116 / 755
Finland 48 / 246
France 49 / 254
Latvia 102 / 703
Netherlands 209 / 1,271
Norway 125/ 685
Ukraine 50 / 269

A smaller number of files are included in the sections on Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, England, Hungary, Iceland, India, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, USA and Yugoslavia. The files on 7 men from the USA and 4 from England who became Waffen-SS officers are included.

More than 450 photos, most never before published.

Personnel files of most senior non-German officers who were battalion commanders and higher.

Complete files of graduates of the 1, 2 and 3 Germanic officer courses, unless the file was missing, and later courses. These personnel records contain biographical information, performance evaluations, and recommendations for promotions, photos, casualty reports and sometimes reports of investigations. A study of these detailed personnel records will provide the reader with a special appreciation for these men.

An additional 200+ pages of promotion and transfer lists plus listings of the graduates of the entire foreign officer courses at Bad Tölz and other officer courses are included in Part 5b.


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