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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 18:17 pm 
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Anyone ever heard of possibly large calibre naval guns deployed to sites around London?

A while back I found a story about one in Bromley (??), manned by the Home Guard. It was in a park somewhere...

These were artillery, not AA...

Anyone got a clue?

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I have the book, " Gunners At War" by Peter Mead, and I don't know if its what you need to know, The Boche Buster a 18inch railway gun of the 1914-18 war, used in 1942 by 11th Super Heavy Battery at Bishopsbourne , there are others mentioned around the Dover area.

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I know all about the cross channel guns (Scene Shifter, Winnie, Pooh etc), but they weren't in South London :D

This was definitely South London somewhere, which is why it was unusual.

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Hi Andy

I was going to say try Firepower The Royal Artillery Museum in Woolwich but its closed down :cry: , you could try link, if you get no help on forum, all the best.

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2 more possible sources of information:-

https://collections.royalarmouries.org/#/archives

http://www.iwm.org.uk/research/research-facilities

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Both the 4.5" and 5.25" AA Guns were derived from Naval Guns and were used on Ships during WW2.
This is the most likely explanation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_5.25_inch_gun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_4.5-in ... _naval_gun


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During the Blitz my dad was in charge of 54th HAA battery (at Putney I believe) which had 4 x 3.7 and 4 x 4.5 Ack Ack guns. Like this: http://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/40/371/mid_000000.jpg


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I'm sure it was bigger than a 5.25"... I want to say it was 10"?

Owen, 3.7 and 4.5 are standard British AA of the time.

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I can't imagine a Naval Gun over 5.25" being deployed unless a Railway Gun of which there were many in different calibres.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1FD3yXEkzc

Army Guns of the period would have been 7.2", 8" and 5" (60 Pounder). The Wiltshire Home Guard some how acquired one of the latter.


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No, definitely not railway mounted.

It was in a park!

And I wouldn't have thought it was "current" Army issue either as it was HG crewed. Fairly sure it was described as ex-naval.

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From 1942 the HG manned many RA AA sites around the country, so they would have manned army guns along with ATS (although ATS never fired the guns - officially). The HG were used in order to release RA personnel for other theatres of war. So, they did fire 8", 7.2 " and 5" guns. Have a look at the Home Guard official history site. They also manned the Z (rocket) sites. I know a lady who was in the 93rd Searchlight regiment, stationed in London. She was in both Hyde Park and Hampstead Heath alongside batteries manned by both RA and HG.


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Anti aircraft guns were also mounted on the Thames Estuary forts. In the early part of the War, The London Division Anti Aircraft units(black cat badge) included the Honourable Artillery Company, but they were increasingly sent to far flung areas, Wallesy Liverpool, South Wales, manning 4.5 " casement guns.

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One of my family was a Bofors gunner on the Thames forts...

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There was an AA battery on the top of Hillyfields Park in Brockley I don't know what the guns were but there was a searchlight there as well there the imprints of buildings still evidencing a fairly substantial set up. I am also told that there was a similar set up in Telegraph Hill park.

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