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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 13:21 pm 
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Hello Nico,

I have often seen references to "surgical" haversacks being used, but whether this applies to this type or the Sugar/surgical pack, is one thing I do not know. I can see no reason why the RAMC would have not carried on using them, as they were still being used for many years after the war.
16 PFA should be coming over to Arnhem this year, so see you there?
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I photocopied a medical resupply estimates document for the market Garden Op when I was at the Duxford Airborne archives. It gives the number of panniers for resupply per day, and a breakdown of the types of medical stores I think. I'll dig it out when back home and find the details for you.
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I have just bought one of those http://www.spanglefish.com/16parachutefieldambulance/index.asp?pageid=527873
Mecidal stuff is not my main point of interest, but I like to broaden my knowledge.
Is this airborne specific item or other services used it as well? Did RAMC still used it in 1944?
What is the usual price for a bag like that without content nowdays (not intending to sell) ?


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I am glad the groups website was useful. Can you post a picture of your pack at all?

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Your website is very usefull source of knowledge and images. You guys are doing a great job.

Here is my bag: mint condition, just has got some number stenciled on the flap. Made in 1943, all dividers present.

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Lovely example that one.


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Never seen inside one before, and its condition mint.

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Just came across a photo of one in my book, worn by a SB, with SHELL DRESSING on flap.

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Shell Dressing bag is a common item. Looks very similar, but has no dividers inside and shoulder strap is sewn to the back wall.


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enfield wrote:
I have just bought one of those http://www.spanglefish.com/16parachutefieldambulance/index.asp?pageid=527873
Mecidal stuff is not my main point of interest, but I like to broaden my knowledge.
Is this airborne specific item or other services used it as well? Did RAMC still used it in 1944?
What is the usual price for a bag like that without content nowdays (not intending to sell) ?


This type of bag seemed to start out as an Airborne bit of kit, but it was also used by Non Airborne units of the RAMC as a "Surgical Haversack" -I has seen a different (updated) packing list, for later in the war, but unfortunately I currently don't have a copy. This type of bag was used up to quite recently (late 1980's) by the RAMC - obviously with completely different contents.

The Airborne RAMC used a great deal of other "haversacks" -not just the standard "Don" & Sugar" packs -nearly all these different loads, such as Medical Comforts/ Dressing Pack II, Surgical Pack II were contained in a standard 37 pattern large pack, with different numbers and letters chalked on the outside, to identify the contents. Photos and descriptions of these will be up on the 16PFA website very soon!

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Thank you for the information mate.
I have also noticed, that shell dressing bags often come with original stencil on the flap painted over with black and different markings. I recon these were used for other purposes as well.

A bit of topic, but very inetersting example of the bag that was used during Falklands conflict:
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001886570445#!/pages/Airborne-Assault-The-Museum-of-the-Parachute-Regiment-Airborne-Forces/109068972454849


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Found (at last!) the standard (Non- Airborne) contents list for this bag:

SURGICAL HAVERSACK

Dibromopropamidine Cream 1%, Small tubes x 1
Liquor Ammonii Aromaticus oz. 3
Liquor Iodi Mitis oz. 1.5
Bandages, Loose Woven, Open Wove, Unbleached, Khaki-coloured, 3-in. x 4 yds. compressed x 24
Bandages, Triangular, Khaki-coloured, compressed, 2 in pkts x 2
Gauze, Absorbent, Bleached, 36 ins. wide, 2.5 yds packets, compressed x 6
Plaster, Adhesive, Zinc Oxide, Tropical Pack, 1 in. x 5 yds, tin x 1
Wool, Cotton, Absorbent, 1-oz packets, compressed, x 12
Case, Hypodermic, 1942 patt. x 1
Forceps, Artery, SW. 5 in. x 2
Catgut, Sterile, Chromic Duragut B.P.C., size 1, tubes x 6
Needles, suture, First Aid Set, set x 1
Tourniquet, Singer, x 1
Pins, Safety, Tins of 36 x 2
Bottle, Special, Round, Narrow Mouth, Stoppered, 3 oz. x 1
Case, leather covered, for Liquor Ammon. Aromat. x 1
Container, FME, Tin, Empty, Flat, for Needles FA Set x 1
Solution of Iodine, 1.5 oz. x 1
Haversack, Surgical, Empty x 1
Scissors, SB, 7 in. x 1
Cards, Field Medical, (A.F. W3118) x 12
Cards, Field Medical, Envelopes for, x 12

Hope this helps!

Kind regards,

Dickie Townsley

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