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Here's the dedicated thread, which will hopefully answer some questions, and bring some more to light. :wink:

A Bombardment Group (Heavy) can be split into two main sections, the Air Echelon (The flying elements), and the Ground Echelon (the squadrons' own ground crews).

Air and Ground Echelons
Group Headquarters
Bomb Squadron
Bomb Squadron
Bomb Squadron
Bomb Squadron

In addition at each base was at least the following Support Units:
Sub Depot (Class I)
Station Complement Squadron
Medical Dispensary (Aviation)
Ordnance Supply & Maintenance Company (Aviation)
Chemical Company (Air Operations)
Engineer Fire Fighting Platoon (Aviation)
one half of a Quartermaster Company, Service Group (Aviation)
one half of a Military Police Company (Aviation)
one half of a Signal Company, Service Group (Aviation).

Finally, in early 1945 most of the Support Units on each base were reorganised into an Air Service Group, split into an Engineering Squadron and a Material Squadron.

To use the 401BG at Deenethorpe as our working example, we get the following:

Air Echelon
401st Bomb Group Headquarters
612th Bomb Squadron
613th Bomb Squadron
614th Bomb Squadron
615th Bomb Squadron

Ground Echelon
450th Sub Depot
78th Station Complement
379th Service Squadron
861st Chemical Company
1597th Ordnance Supply and Maintenance Company
1199th Military Police Company
1209th Quartermaster Service Group
2966th Finance Detachment
860th Chemical Company
18th Weather Detachment
2095th Engineer Fire Fighting Platoon

The easiest way to identify the units is by their vehicle markings, so here are the ones I've IDed so far:

Dodge ambulances of (left to right) the 615th, 614th and 612th Bomb Squadrons.
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Dodge ambulance of the 450th Sub Depot nearest the camera.
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Chevrolet Truck, Fire, Powered, Crash, High Pressure, Fog Foam, Class 135 and Fordson Crash Tender of the 2095th Engineer Fire Fighting Platoon.
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And finally for now, an as yet unidentified vehicle.
Unit number partially visible on the closest bumperette.
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I'll add the TO&Es for the various units as I find them.

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surely the bottom one os a 3/4 ton dodge beep? :wink:

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Hi DD,

I knew what the vehicle is.... it's the individual unit that I can't ID at the mo! :wink:

PS, photo taken between the Bombsight Store (behind camera) and the Ops Block at Deenethorpe.

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aaah... thought you had gone all mentalist for a moment. :oops:

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Nice pics
The 3/4 ton dodge looks to have a bow off either a 1/2 ton VC or 'home made' hoop to accommodate the rearward facing spotlight (1/2 ton model headlight by the looks of it).
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Hi Paul,

I see you've laid this out for the listing for the 401st at Deenethorpe which I know is a group close to your heart but are you applying this as a 'generic' listing for all Heavy BG's and their attached suuport units ?

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I'm simply using the 401st as an example to illustrate the generic list right at the top on the first post.

First (basic) TO&E:

Army Engineer (Aviation) Fire Fighting Platoon

Headquarters Section with one officer, two enlisted men and support vehicles.

4 x Fire Fighting Sections totalling twenty-six enlisted men.
Equipped with the following per Section:

1 x Truck, Fire, Powered, Crash, 4x4, High Pressure, Fog Foam, Class 135 or 1 x Truck, Fire, Powered, Crash, 6x6, Low Pressure, Carbon Dioxide, Class 150.
2 x Trailer, Fire, Crash, High Pressure, Class 1010.
1 x Trailer, Pumper, Class 1000.

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No probs mate,

are you looking for info to add to this ? Also are you looking at doing one for the Fighter stations as well ?? Nice work mate.

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Anyone can feel free to add to this, and if a Fighter Group section can be added alongside, all the better.

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Well, I've now begun a spreadsheet for this, which currently covers all the 8AF bomber bases to varying levels of completeness, and a couple of fighter ones too so far.

It's sad how many Bomb Group websites completely ignore the ground units though. :(

If anyone wants a copy, so they can maybe add to it, let me know.

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Thanks Paul,

Thats sounds great, I'd love to see that. I'll have a dig about, I know there were small differences in size of some sections on station. I love that pic of all the WC 54's, have you seen the pictures of the British supplied Austin ambulances at Great Ashfield ? It's in a similar vein with the numbers which I guess just shows that they were expecting to have a lot of casualties !

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If I remember correctly, in the original Memphis Belle film, the 91st Bomb Group had Austin k2s.

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Hi Dave,

Quite a few of the Early stations did and continued with them throughout the war including the 91st as you said. I wish I had access to a scanner and I'd post the picture up, I'm sure Paul will find it and post it up although I know he's going over to Deenethorpe tomorrow and he may be busy.

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Updated list again:

Obsolete: File deleted. Current file below.

I've re-jigged it slightly.
First two columns: Station name and number.
Next block of five columns: Group and Squadrons.
Next block of ten columns: Base units pre 1945 reorganisation.
Next block of three columns: Base units after 1945 reorganisation.
Final block of six columns: Base units not reorganised in 1945.

Hope that makes sense.... :wink:

Still plenty of gaps left to fill though, shout up if you can assist.

All the best,
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