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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 14:24 pm 
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Is there anywhere I can obtain info on US Aircraft crashes in the UK during the war. I've been told a B17 came down not far from where I live after flying for a considerable distance unoccupied.

I've nothing else to go on so any help would be appreciated.

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Best place to look would be for any local history experts...or do you have any local museums or small airfield associations? Local newspapers at the library if you know the approximate date are a great help also...

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Cheers for the advice,I've tried several local historians and can get only limited info, ie the approximate area of the crash but nothing specific. I've found out more about a Heinkle that crashed local than the B17 crash.

I'll try the local heritage center to see if I can find some info in the old news papers .

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Hi Steve,

It is very doubtful you will find anything in the papers about an Allied crash if it happened before VE Day. If you PM me all the details you have I can probably get you the basics,ie unit,AC serial number,date,crew details etc.

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Hi Matt, The only thing I've got is local accounts and an email from guy and it reads like this:

The B-17 crashed near Lapworth, Warwickshire I believe on 14th October 1943, following the infamous second Sweinfurt raid. The crew had baled out many miles away and the authorities didn't find it until the following day. It came down on a very foggy night, presumably after eventually running out of fuel. We haven't managed to identify the serial, after several years of trying! We first thought the aircraft was from Molesworth, but this now seems unlikely.

Hope you can help with my research on the B17.


The other Aircraft I'm trying to find out about in an aircraft that crashed on the outskirts of Knowle Solihull in the war years, I've just had a very interesting interview with a yank that was stationed In Knowle between March and August 1943 and he recalled an aircraft crash in the vicinity mentioned to me by locals.

Any help would be very much appreciated or link for more research.


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Hi Steve,

B-17's crashing in the UK on 14th Oct 43 seem to have been:

92BG.
42-3171 at Shiplake, Oxon.
42-3351 at Winkfield Berks.

384BG.
42-3037 at Wakerley Woods, Northants.
42-5852 at Chetwode, Bucks.
42-29784 at Baydon, Wilts.

303BG.
42-5482 at Riseley. (unsure whether in Beds or the one near Reading)

Might help..

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Thanks for the info so far,it's giving me a wider picture and narrowing down the search for this elusive aircraft.


I'll post my findings as I learn more .but if anyone knows more please get in touch..



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Good site here!

http://www.redkitebooks.co.uk/aa/

Some more crashes

B-17F 42-30171 DOCKING 385 LANDING
B-17F 42-3283 EARLS COLNE, UK 95 HIT TREES AND CRASHED

B-17F 42-30368 SNETTERTON HEATH, UK 96

B-17F 42-30860 SNETTERTON HEATH, UK 96

B-17F 42-30135 METFIELD, UK 385

B-17F 42-3388 METFIELD, UK 385

B-17F 42-30193 KNETTISHALL, UK 388

B-17F 42-5393 NORTH LUFFENHAM RAF 303

B-17F 42-5081 FILTON, UK 303

B-17G 42-3526 WEST HASTINGS, ENGLAND 390 ENGINE FIRE

B-17F 42-31029 PRESTWICK, UK 27

B-17F 42-3327 FRAMLINGHAM, UK 390

B-17G 42-31113 SNETTERTON HEATH, UK 96

B-17G 42-37803 HUCKNELL, ENGLAND 390 LANDING

B-17F 42-29930 KEYSTEN .5 MI NW, UK 303 TAKE-OFF

B-17F 42-30263 DOCKING, UK 385 LANDING

B-17F 42-30360 BODNEY, UK 96

All for October 1943, none near your area at the moment..will look at all months for that year!! And of course the added problem of where the aircraft was based....how long did it fly unmanned for...it could have been based in Suffolk!!!

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This might be it mate...altho its for October 1944???? its about 15 miles S E as the B17 flies from Lapworth??!!

B-17G 42-97227 WELLESBOURNE, MOUNTFORD 92

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B-17G 43-38510 WELLESBOURNE, MOUNTFORD 92

Seems likely that one of the above two aircraft could have been making for Wellesbourne and the aircraft only flew on for a few miles before crashing?? If you look at a large map of the UK you can assume that they were returning from a mission to Hamburg? If the crew bailed it near Wellesbourne then flying on that heading would have taken the B17 to Lapworth.

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441002 B-17G 42-97227 327BS 92BG 109 8 BMAC 5 Fischer, Robert E ENG Wellesbourne

Looking good as BMAC stands for BAILED OUT MID AIR COLLISION!!!

441002 B-17G 43-38510 327BS 92BG 109 8 MAC 4 Foote, Erwin L ENG Wellesbourne

Not so likely as MAC stands for MID AIR COLLISION.

Now the 92 BG was based at Alconbury Huntingdonshire..consisting of 325/326/327/409 BS.....so back to the map!

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Right.......Alconbury is just above Huntingdon...now Cambridgshire...If the crew bailed then the aircraft did indeed fly a considerable distance before crashing at Wellesbourne. It can be quite confusing though! Both aircrafts homebase is designated 109 but Alconbury is 102. The aircraft are from 327BS which was at Alconbury. 109 is Podington in Bedfordshire. They could have been attached as pathfinders etc. Im afraid this is all assuming you got the year wrong mate!!

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I'm amazed that you've dug up all that info so quick, I seriously owe you a few beers and some paracetamol for your Bad back,and I don't even know your name??.
I'm at the moment in touch with the Lapworth historical society who are going to dig around and see what they can come up with. I've been told that the wreckage was empty so the crew had bailed but where??.
There was also a Heinkle which crashed during the war,so I'm trying to get accurate details in case the locals are getting the two incidents mixed up. I'll do my best to get to the bottom of this investigation but it's hard after 60+ years.

Thanks again for all your research it's much appreciated

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Still off work and the names Doug! Thinking on the above I think Im wrong.......Although I havent got any exact dates yet for the above aircraft loss it seems likely they collided with each other whilst forming up or dispersing above Wellesbourne.

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Looks like you're right:

92BG Mission List.
Mission No.: 203.
Station: Podington
Date: 2nd Oct 1944.
Target: Ord. Depot, Kassel.
Notes: 2 a/c collided during assembly; crews safe w/2 casualties, 2 cows killed.

92nd BG stood down to move from Alconbury to Podington 10-22 Sept 1943.

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Thought so...damn!!! Thanks for confirming...back to the drawing board!!

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Right I've found a guy who was told by his father many years ago before he died that he had sat in a crashed aircraft at the back of the Church around Tapster lane. This is in the area around Lapworth were I've also had reports of the Downed B17..

The mystery contiues,I'm going to try the parish records to see if anything was recorded,I've also tracked down a guy in his 90's who lives around the area,I 've been told he likes to chat about the "OLD TIMES"Maybe he can shed some light on this .

I'll keep digging

Thanks Doug and the others who have responded for your help so far,It's much appreciated..


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