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Warfare is not always about skill......its also about advancing civilisation and finding new ways to kill your enemies before they can kill you....
that my friends is why the Italians lost the war..

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Whoa There - Italy did not loose the War - have you forgotten about the split that occured in 1943? Essentially those that fought on with the RSI were on the whole followers of Mussolini. The Co-Beligerent Forces that joined the Allies were totally against the whole thing - If they lost, how come they fought on our side?
Italy produced excelent units, Bersaglieri, Folgore, San Marco Divisions. The Beretta SMG was highly sought after by the SAS. The Macchi c205 was one of the better aircraft produced (under armed, but that fitted with the Italian philosopy of speed)

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Well tactics also come into play...and will to fight. Also mussolini was "sure" that the italians could not loose. It is true some of their units, weapons ect. were of top quality but the "facist" italians did loose.

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Agreed. Before partition, the majority of Italian Soldiers did not want to fight against a former ally (WWI), which reflected a lot. After partition, both fought well for their causes.

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men will always fight better for what they believe in! the facists did a lot after the partition...but as far as i know the allied italians were just a control force and didn't get involved in much fighting with the facists.
just one question...if Italy after the partion became and allied counrty then do the Germans/austrians count as invaders and mussolinis troops count as rebels?

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The Germans rescued Mussolini from captivity in the Gran Sasso raid, only for him to be lynched later on - says something....
Control force? The 1. Raggruppamento Motorizato went into action in September/October 43, at Monte Lungo, in the Cassino sector. They then served with the American 5th Army, transferring to Polish control on the left flank of the British 8th Army.

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They did seem to fight better with the allies then the facists

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Mussolini was shot (exact circumstances remain a mystery) by
partisans before he was hung up in Piazzale Loreto - most RSI
personnel if captured by partisans, would have suffered a similar fate.
I think the Allies officially recognized them as POW's, but I'm not sure
if RSI and Co-belligerent Italian forces actually fought against each other.


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Thanks for that Pasta - TBH, I think they were kept apart.
But, since this is a Greek Army Thread, perhaps we should get back on track?

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yes...but we have talked about preety much everything there is to talk about for the greeks...if someone else comes up with something?...
only thing we could talk about is the Battle of Crete or Greek Partizans?
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Fair dos.....If anyone has any photos/illustrations of Greek Soldiers of 1941, here's the place......

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got this...its a greek issuse S.M.L.E
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a greek shoulder title
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a greek pass
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Greek naval cross
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Greek "Red Cross" (guess its a sort of victoria cross for greece..worth research)
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but that all i could find...
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Great Rob - All I get is the Red Cross (not being sarky tho).......

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i have to say i didn't no the greeks used S.M.L.Es but there you go... oggy do you know what weapons they used?
To find the pics...many were off ebay and the S.M.L.E was off www.bltd.com"or something like that"
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From what I can gather, the Greeks used the model 1924 FN Mauser in 7.92mm, Mannlicher 1894 converted to 7.92mm and in original 6.5mm.
MGs included the French 8mm St Etienne, Cauchat and Hotchkiss, with the MG08 captured in WWI
The SMLE may have been issued after 1941.....

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"Italians have never been warriors or soldiers though out history" :shock:

got this...its a greek issuse S.M.L.E :shock:

Wheres that blooming rolling about laughing Smiley!!!!

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