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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 18:19 pm 
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Steam Railways WW2 Event in Simpelveld NL

Reichsbahn and Bahnschutz "1944"


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New Reenactment Group formed today....... "WW2 Reichsbahn".


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Ive often thought that this was a brave portrayal considering the Reichbahns involvement in the Holocaust.

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Despite all that, an Excellent and very unique angle sir !
..surely the young lad wouldn't be old enough to have won the Bavarian Merit Cross from WW1 ! :)


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lordduvet wrote:
Ive often thought that this was a brave portrayal considering the Reichbahns involvement in the Holocaust.


The Reichsbahn introduced group tickets for groups over 400 (from June 1940) .... and billed it to the SS.
As for any crime, the Reichsbahn were never charged with any offences because under German law they
were forced to carry what the government forced them to carry....end of story.

But this thread is the wrong one for a moral debate, it is about a reenactment group, who in the main actually
work for the German State Railways in their "Real Life", I am with the German Railways 24 years and PROUD.

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pete the dog wrote:
Despite all that, an Excellent and very unique angle sir !
..surely the young lad wouldn't be old enough to have won the Bavarian Merit Cross from WW1 ! :)


Well spotted Pete....although the award is the Baltenkreuz 1919 awarded to the Freikorps in the Baltic States.
Very similar to the WW1 Bavarian ribbon and often mistaken for it.

The reason being BOTH tunics are mine and we "formed" the group 10 minutes before the event started.

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Good stuff Bill, great to see the photos, thank you.

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So they had a special discounted rate they charged the SS for sending people....

it would be a very interesting moral debate. PERSONALLY. I see nothing wrong with reminding people of the horrors of the mid 20th century

The Reichsbahn was ready to ship in principle any cargo in return for payment. And therefore, the basic key — price controlled key — was that Jews were going to be shipped to Treblinka, were going to be shipped toAuschwitz, Sobibor …so long as the railroads were paid by the track kilometer, so many pfennigs per mile. The rate was the same throughout the war. With children under ten going at half-fare and children under four going free. 

Oh what a jolly holiday it must have been.

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Oh. As one to research everything.
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In May 1942, Albert Ganzenmüller (born in 1905 in Passau, member of NSDAP and SA since 1931, dead **March 1996 in Munich) was appointed state secretary in the ministry of transport and chief of the German Reichsbahn. He was responsible for the employment of deportation trains. **
After the war Ganzenmüller Ganzenmueller] fled to Argentina but returned to Germany in 1955. First indictment in 1970, second one in 1973 in Düsseldorf. Because of a heart attack the proceedings were stopped.

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Is it just me ... or does Bill bear a passing resemblance to the guy that played Goering in the 'Battle of Britain' film ...???

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Bill Medland wrote:
pete the dog wrote:
Despite all that, an Excellent and very unique angle sir !
..surely the young lad wouldn't be old enough to have won the Bavarian Merit Cross from WW1 ! :)


Well spotted Pete....although the award is the Baltenkreuz 1919 awarded to the Freikorps in the Baltic States.
Very similar to the WW1 Bavarian ribbon and often mistaken for it.

The reason being BOTH tunics are mine and we "formed" the group 10 minutes before the event started.


Probably the best re-enactment group ever if that's the result 10 mins in ! :wink:

Interesting re Baltenkreutz, I must look that one up.... not surprised it's ribbon is mistaken for the Merenti, though having just had a look through my original medals, it is in fact entirely different !!!... Funny how you just remember the colour combination and the old brain fills in the rest ( in this case wrongly ! )

Debates always rage re the T.R. but in reality, at the time, I'd suggest that any rail worker who was crazy enough to have questioned or refused to take a train out vis it's likely destination, would very probably be himself unceremoniously stuffed into the nearest cattle truck with the rest of the unfortunate 'travellers' !

Bill, IMHO your railway impressions are unique and absolutely top notch, many thanks for sharing.


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Here is a link to the event, we are briefly to be seen on the youtube footage (twice) 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJhdX861BMA

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Slightly off topic. but may be of interest to Allied Reenactors......

Tomorrow I have another railway event... This time as BRITISH RAILWAYS 8)

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Debates always rage re the T.R. but in reality, at the time, I'd suggest that any rail worker who was crazy enough to have questioned or refused to take a train out vis it's likely destination, would very probably be himself unceremoniously stuffed into the nearest cattle truck with the rest of the unfortunate 'travellers' !


People always trot this one out. It's bollocks. Even SS men who refused to take part in the Holocaust suffered no ill effects from it.

Anyhoo, the DRB and the Holocaust - up to their necks in it.
http://www.holocaustchronicle.org/staticpages/415.html

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The Reichbahn were at the forefront of Gleichschaltung from 1933 actually.

It was set up in the beginning to shield profits from reparations payments required by the Versailles Treaty, the Reichsbahn functioned until its 1937 reincorporation into the Reich Transportation Ministry as an “independent economic enterprise” that “manages and administers the existing railroads as property of the Reich” Although only 200 of its employees were Party Members in 1933

It did not merely acquiesce to Nazi guidance, but sometimes took the initiative, particularly in Judenpolitik. Management applied the April 7, 1933 Civil Service Law by excluding Jews (with a few exceptions); by November 27, twenty-one senior executives had been placed on “indefinite leave”. Its estimated that between 2,000 and 2,500 Jewish workers also lost their jobs. In May, the Reichsbahn terminated contracts with nearly 1,000 Jewish physicians who had treated railroad employees and their dependants. Other steps included the ban on advertisements in railroad stations for Jewish-owned businesses.

In spring 1933, management instructed procurement officials to discourage Jewish-owned businesses from seeking contracts. Although not technically state employees until 1937, Reichsbahn managers rarely deviated from official Nazi policy, injecting antisemitic mores into the private lives of railroad men. In 1935, employees were admonished not to patronize Jewish businesses on the grounds of defending the “racial community” (Volksgemeinschaft)

In summer 1937 the Ministry of Transportation banned marriages between employees and “non-Aryans”—including existing marriages. Emil Brett, who worked at the Lehrter Bahnhof in Berlin and had received the Olympic Memorial Medal, was sacked after refusing to divorce his Jewish wife.
Despite the OPs assertion, the SS did not pay a penny towards the transportation of the Jews. They simply recharged it back to the Jewish community. Jews paid for their own deaths and Eichmann kept the surplus.

Eichmann practically merged the Ministry of transport and the Police Offices in General Government. A commercial deal was concluded between Eichmann's 1V B 4 office and the Ministry of Transport. Exact times of departure were specified with details of the locomotives and number of cars/wagons. Sonderzuge (Jewish transports) took priority over Wehrmacht (OKW) transports. The minimum charge per transport was 200 Reichsmarks, with no charge for the return of trains after they had been emptied of their human cargo. A cargo of 1,000 persons per train was the norm, but for the Sonderzug the norm was 2-5,000 for short hauls (within Poland) allowing 2 sq. ft per person, and adjusted accordingly for transports elsewhere in Europe. Yes - the Railway made more money from carrying jews to their death than from its Wehrmacht contracts. And the cost of the trains was taken but 1VB office from Jewish assets.

The only occasions on which the railway authorities lost out on a payment was for the Jews transported to Auschwitz from Salonika in Greece because the Reichsbahn only accepted RM. The commanding officer where the transports were initiated (Salonika) was responsible for transport payment, and although the SD in Greece had Jewish money, Greek Drachmas, this was a currency neither acceptable nor exchangeable. This could only be overcome if the SD conveyed RM from Greece to Germany, which in wartime was difficult

In the 60s . reliable evidence shows the Reichbahn carried 2601137 Jews to their deaths. Thats just the ones the paperwork didnt get destroyed for.450000 from Hungary alone.

I do hope this information helps you with your protrayal. The economics of the holocaust are fascinating

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German Third Reich Railway Police uniform. (Bahnschutzpolizei).

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