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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:33 am 
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Here's a little of Market Garden 2014 at Camp Veghel and Grave.

https://plus.google.com/photos/11575053 ... banner=pwa

And the commemoration at Eerde.

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Sadly this event was spoiled by local police forces as no mock battles and German were allowed.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:38 am 
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Spoiled or improved?

I'm sorry, but I don't see why we need 'mock battles' at commemorative events. Nice photos though.

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That's the one article in the law the regional police corps used to not give out the permits; "You are not real soldiers so you have no business firing guns at commemorative events".

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Mr_Flibble wrote:
That's the one article in the law the regional police corps used to not give out the permits; "You are not real soldiers so you have no business firing guns at commemorative events".


Sounds ok to me!


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Miss Spitfire wrote:
Spoiled or improved?

I'm sorry, but I don't see why we need 'mock battles' at commemorative events. Nice photos though.


As part of OMG 2014 mock battles were planned.

To learn about history we should look at both sides of the story. Now we we've seen a convoy filled with happy people added with beer and sales boots at the basecamp in Veghel. I think this was a missed opportunity to educate some real history as it was. Market Garden was hardly a party, and while we need to commemorate the (fallen) heros at all times, denying the German side of the story won't do any good at all.


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Commemorative events, where veterans are in attendance for me, are not about shooting off guns.

This isn't an allied/axis issue, for me it's about commemoration. Sorry, don't want to hijack your thread so I'll shut up now but I just think it's appropriate and I really believe that the police decision was for the best.

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Operation Market Garden 2014 was not a commemoration with veterans only. Planned were many more events for education, re-enactment and so on. At the very last stage of it, the police cut the re-enactment part. Much time and money was lost this way. Only half of the invited groups showed up.

Sadly OMG 2014 involved much politics and egos on the way in. Of course we would not agree with mock battles near a commemoration when veterans are present (it did happen though in past events).

Feel free to disagree. Everybody is entitled to share his or her own opinion. :-)


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And let's not forget that one Anti-Nazi numptie who probably gave the regional police another (false) argument to not hand out the permit. *Sigh*

Anyway, I still hope you had fun André. I've seen plenty of great photographs from all those involved in both OMG and Project70.
Patton was furious again, as we were missing some armor in France earlier this month with the Pursuit Tour, because of the whole MarketGarden thing ;)

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Oh that happens here too...big egos and small minds.

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Miss Spitfire wrote:
Oh that happens here too...big egos and small minds.

;)


LOL

Mr Flibble: Still trying to keep my eyes open as it was kinda busy. 4 hours sleep each night for 10 days was killing me.hehehe


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Just back from Arnhem and Oosterbeek, went wearing a suit or shirt and trousers, in my opinion the only people who should be in uniform are the Veterans themselves (from all eras) or current serving troops! All about remembrance; they should hog the limelight.

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Euan wrote:
Just back from Arnhem and Oosterbeek, went wearing a suit or shirt and trousers, in my opinion the only people who should be in uniform are the Veterans themselves (from all eras) or current serving troops! All about remembrance; they should hog the limelight.


Were you the git who bought that German photo album? ;)

I thought I bloody saw you mate!! But not at the market, saw you on Ginkel I think?

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Euan wrote:
Just back from Arnhem and Oosterbeek, went wearing a suit or shirt and trousers, in my opinion the only people who should be in uniform are the Veterans themselves (from all eras) or current serving troops! All about remembrance; they should hog the limelight.

We went in civvies and all agreed it seemed the way ahead-felt embarrassed by some of the 'reenactors' there and from what I saw there were a few serving Paras who weren't impressed either, again it seemed that the race to the bridge looked more like the 'wacky races' once the jeeps had gone past.
Did enjoy the trip though with very good company.


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I went once in kit. Never again.

I felt embarrassed, not my cup of tea. Each to their own but I was concerned when I heard about 'skirmishes'.

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The attack on Grave Bridge was also originally to be done by re-enactors, with Germans defending it. This was changed to being done by the current 82nd Airborne (landed by helicopters), with the XXX Corps tanks rolling through after them.

The commemorative parachute drop then happened after that, instead of before it (which would have made for a better recreation if you ask me).

The Waal river crossing was re-enacted by the current 82nd Airborne and the Dutch Army in fire support, plus the 25 pounders of the Garrison, but no other re-enactors were involved.

Perhaps the public battles done on a regular basis at smaller events in the Netherlands is backfiring against the re-enactment community there, as people may be seeing it as "playing cowboys and indians" and not serious.

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GlenM wrote:
Perhaps the public battles done on a regular basis at smaller events in the Netherlands is backfiring against the re-enactment community there, as people may be seeing it as "playing cowboys and indians" and not serious.


Nah, It's one pencil-pusher in that specific region that's using his interpretation of our firearm laws to make it all go his way (Sidney H. can tell you some stories about him).

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