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 Post subject: A few new events......
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 20:34 pm 
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more new photographic galleries...lincolnshire wolds railway/nene valley railway/stoke bruerne canal village at war/life on the home front-Holme village......

http://survivor79.smugmug.com/Other/HOL ... i=21406452

http://survivor79.smugmug.com/Other/THE ... &k=XzbVzd7

http://survivor79.smugmug.com/Other/STO ... &k=c7tMLH2

http://survivor79.smugmug.com/Other/LIN ... &k=cpcCf6L


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 15:57 pm 
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I passed through Stoke Bruerne on my canal boat on the friday morning, saw a few people setting up, looks like a good weekend was had.

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mickhill wrote:
more new photographic galleries...lincolnshire wolds railway/nene valley railway/stoke bruerne canal village at war/life on the home front-Holme village......

http://survivor79.smugmug.com/Other/STO ... &k=c7tMLH2



Mike - Nice pictures as usual. Have you any idea of the identity of the War Correspondent in pictures 21,22,23 of your gallery - would like to get in touch with him.


In fact anyone know him ?

Paul

Edited 'cos I'd left an 'e' out of identity :)


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Interesting Paul ... surely tho' as a non combatant, he shouldnt be armed..???

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That is Jason Litt. Jason I think might be on this forum but if he is I don't know his username. He does many different impressions, from British, American, German and I think Russian as well, usually portraying press men and goes across the country as I see him often at many events throughout the year.

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As for the subject of armed reporters its a hard one and I can't speak about rules and regs regarding Allied correspondents. As I portray an German correspondent, when I am filming in a battle, such as the Victory Show, I did have a sidearm. Like medical personnel, some combat reporters, though deemed non-combatants, wore pistols for self-defense in combat zones and I've got a couple of photos that back this up.

Whether this translate to the Allied Armies, I don't know, I've not researched it. Certainly be interested if anybody knows for sure one way or the other.

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According to the Geneva Convention at the time any and all non combatants shouldn't have been armed ... the same goes for the instructions and regulations issued to US Civilian reporters and photographers, however as you say there were, not exceptions, wrong word, shall we say anomolous occurrences ...
The Writing 69th personnel (yes .. they are and were real.. !!) were instructed in the use of the guns aboard the bombers they flew in, after all there can be no 'passengers' in a bomber and if a gunner is hit, someone needs to man that gun if there is a spare body around ... and contentiously they did apparently have occasion to do so ..

In the PTO civilian correspondents and photographers (Signal corps photographers were military of course and armed anyway) trained with Marines and went into combat armed for self protection, the Japanese at the time, as we know, making no discrimination at all between combat personnel and medics or correspondents, and again being too busy fighting the enemy, the marines wouldn't have had time to 'mollycoddle' civilian personnel so they had to protect themselves.

On the far end of the scale we have 'Papa' Hemingway who according to legend in Italy had a private army of his own and went around armed to the teeth.

Regardless of that though, I think you will find that Jason should not in fact be blatantly carrying a weapon as he is .. !!

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Yes, I have a similar thing as I portray a correspondent on the Eastern Front, where the Russians were known to indiscriminately kill non-combatants (why the medics didn't wear big red crosses on their helmets) so most if not all non-combatants on the Eastern Front were armed with pistols for self-defense and would have included cameramen. However this is just for in the combat zone, behind the lines reporters would have not worn them.

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German 'war correspondents' were not non-combatants. The Propagandakompanie troops were trained combat troops first (they had to pass through full basic training before deployment) and specialists second.

It is a common mistake but the Geneva convention does NOT prohibit non-combatants from carrying weapons. Medical troops are specifically allowed weapons under this convention for the sole purpose of protecting their charges. Remember the fuss a few years back when the decorated, British, female combat medic was photographed with her SA80 in Afghanistan? It was pointed out at great length at the time that this was totally legal.

This misconception is partially due to the American interpretation of the Geneva convention which holds that this is the case. Which is interesting considering that America has never signed the Geneva convention.


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Aaaahh thanks ... always like to get points clarified ... The basic field manual (1942) for US Correspondents does specifically state though that no weapons are to be carried ..!!

nb; you do realise though that you have now cleared the way for all .. erm .. 'wannabe' Warcos to go around armed .. !!! :roll:

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Martin, thanks for the ID. Just trying to see if we can get a directory together of those that can portray British War correspondents going.

As to the issue of being armed or not: The little BRITISH Regulations for Press Representatives Acompanying a Field Force November 1942 confirms on page 18: "Press Representatives are forbidden to carry arms in a European theatre of war." There is no mention of the Geneva Convention in the document - just a blanket don't do it. 'Nuff said.

The only British War Cos I know carried a weapon openly was Carl Giles. He used it to dispatch the various vehicles he commandeered as he travelled throughout Holland and Belgium at the end of the war.

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Paul, Jasons user name on here is Many Fronts, he and his wife certainly know there stuff

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Hemmingway was always armed, if it was n't for Tubby Barton (who Hemmingway always wrote glowing references about) he would have been sent home and his Warco status revoked.
One Female Warco flew on bombing missions out of North Africa,does that count? Another Female Warco was photographed firing an artillery piece in Italy and did she catch some flak about that!
In the Far East it seemed an accepted practice for US Warcos to arm themselves for self protection as the Japanese did n't recognise thier non-combatant status.

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Louie wrote:
Paul, Jasons user name on here is Many Fronts, he and his wife certainly know there stuff



I dont doubt they do, and Im not putting him down in that respect, but if he does know his stuff, then the exceptions we have spoke about aside, he should know he shouldn't be armed, sorry .. unless of course he is in possession of knowledge we don't know about (and there is a lot of it out there) in which case it would perhaps be beneficial to all to be informed about it. !!

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Louie wrote:
Paul, Jasons user name on here is Many Fronts, he and his wife certainly know there stuff



I dont doubt they do, and Im not putting him down in that respect, but if he does know his stuff, then the exceptions we have spoke about aside, he should know he shouldn't be armed, sorry .. unless of course he is in possession of knowledge we don't know about (and there is a lot of it out there) in which case it would perhaps be beneficial to all to be informed about it. !!


Ahh sorry Correspondent, I hadn't read the whole thread and wasn't referring specifically to the carrying of weapons it was more of a general statement in response to Paul asking for an ID.

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No problems Louie .. cross talk going on I think ... :) ..thanks ..

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