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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:51 pm 
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Bit of an odd question here:
How bad were the SS panzer divisions?
What I mean by that is were they all fanatical Nazis? Or was it like the Waffen SS where it was a mixture of fanatics and conscripted soldiers?
The reason I ask is that I was thinking about putting together a German impression and I've always liked the look of the Black SS panzer uniforms but I don't want to wear it if it's going to be looked down on, I know a lot of places don't like the Black fanatical dress uniforms which is fair enough but I'm not sure if the panzer uniform is the same?
Was there any reason someone would wear the Black uniforms over a Camo one? And was there any difference between an officer or an NCOs uniform?
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to start this off the SS panzer divisions WERE Waffen SS and the amount of fanatics depended very much on the time in the war. Some divisions were made up of all manner of men from other arms in the later stages

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I imagine like all wars , the majority were ordinary blokes just like you....


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And in war.
some ordinary blokes shoot innocent people ...... some dont.

ss panzer men all drove tigers and were 6 foot tall

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lordduvet wrote:
ss panzer men all drove tigers and were 6 foot tall

At least 6 foot, 2m was the DIN.
And blonde
And blue eyed
And very, very Arian.
The really tall, blue eyed and Arian got the Tiger B.

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^...:) in fact by close of play the SS had a huge contingent of 'foriegn legion' type troops. largely non German ,non Aryan ( including Muslims and others )


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Yep mate.

the ss was all about diversity.

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Out of necessity, the old 'handsome blondies only need apply' ethic goes out of the window when you desperately need to press gang as many bodies as possible to try and hold off the Soviets on one side and Brits / Yanks on the other :)


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Hangtough - I trust that you will have gathered form the foregoing replies that in terms of the whole German armed forces (including SS) there were relatively few "Nazis"! most German service men were no better or worse than any other Army.
As far as the uniform goes there is no difference between Wehrmacht and SS panzer blacks apart from insignia, with the cammo "panzer combi" I fear you have your wires crossed the combi is worn over the blacks not the other way round. You will always find numptys who cant tell panzer blacks from Allgemeine but that's their problem!! The other great confusion between Wehrmacht and SS Panzer uniforms is that only Wehrmacht tunics bear the Totenkopf insignia on the tunic, people tend to assume that because its a Totenkopf its SS! What they do not know that the Totenkopf is the traditional symbol of the Cavalry in all armed services. One of the great things about re-enactment is that there are lots of folk who know a tiny bit about almost everything and are just itching to tell you all about their misinformed ideas, and lots of them are members of the MVT :roll:

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...What they do not know that the Totenkopf is the traditional symbol of the Cavalry in all armed services.


Including ours, still in use today ('cavalry'/mechanised units) - http://www.army.mod.uk/armoured/regiments/25401.aspx


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Thanks for the information guys! Its hard to find anything on the internet because everything is just labelled as "Nazi" and its always the negative things that you find.

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http://www.panzeraufgd.co.uk/uniform.html

Have a look here, third uniform down for info on black uniforms and the Totenkopf.

Here is used by the Prussian cavalry...

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There are differences between the Heer and SS black panzer uniforms. Both tunic and trousers are unique to the branch.
You need the right anorak to spot those differences though.
I've got one.

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I made that mistake once.

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What, judged the finer points of German uniforms without an anorak?

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