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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 19:06 pm 
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Would it look "normal" for an EM SS impression (14th SS) to wear M43 Wool Trousers with an M43 HBT Tunic? I'd also be wearing low, ankle boots with gamaschen.

I wear the wool tunic, but I'd like to not risk dying of heat stroke this summer on a day it gets a bit warm ... so that's why I'd like to simply add an HBT Tunic if I could :D


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Were the SS issued an M43 pattern HBT tunic?
I've never seen a summer hot enough to die of heat stroke in the UK. Wools breathe.
You might wear a camo smock or pea dot tunic with a shirt underneath?

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You'll see the SS M43 HBT's for sale in reproductions.
http://www.thehistorybunker.co.uk/acata ... unics.html
http://www.hessenantique.com/SS_M43_HBT ... 121204.htm

As to their use and how common during the war, I can't comment in a factual manner. I have seen posts on other forums commenting on this topic, but was curious as to what thoughts were here.

My thoughts are that with 14th SS in particular, this combination would be rare if at all. However, with other SS units, maybe this combination would be considered correct. Still, camo with wool trousers would dominate far, far more than HBT and wool.


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What you see for sale and what was issued are not always the same.
You see pea dot helmet covers and sumpf fjr k98 bandoliers for sale, they were not issue.
Dont let dealers do your research. Know what you want/need to buy, it will save you money.
The SS were not issued a 4 pocket green drillich uniform, the Heer were.
You might find very late on there are the odd example of SS wearing the Heer pattern uniform. These are rare and were not general issue.
This thread explains better on the second page;
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&start=15

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Good thread reference. Thanks for the input.


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i've done battles in wool in july with a smock over the top and been fine.

The only time i ever got a small attack of heat stroke was spending an event in may under the blazing sun in wool shirt, wool bd, denison and steel helmet..... and even then i only got the 'feeling drunk' stage when i'd got home.

A few US re-enactors make false tunic collar and fronts to sew into smocks, personally i dont see the need iin the uk but i can see if you're in texas it might be useful...

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Why not just get a set of Pea Dot HBT's, its just a set of cammo HBT's. SO wear them, you'll be correct for the SS and cool in the summer heat, Job Done!

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Why not just get a set of Pea Dot HBT's, its just a set of cammo HBT's. SO wear them, you'll be correct for the SS and cool in the summer heat, Job Done!


Not for all units and not pre 44.
Nowt wrong with wool. Good insulator against hot or cold.

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Nowt wrong with wool. Good insulator against hot



Really!!!???

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If you get hot, take your tunic off and roll your sleeves up. Back in the day, the troops didn't have the luxury of a walk in wardrobe following them around to change in to whatever costume suited the weather conditions they might be experiencing. Yes, they might have got hot in the day but you can bet your marching boots that you'd be glad of that wool tunic to throw on at night - and your greatcoat.

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fallingplate wrote:
Neily Baby wrote:
Nowt wrong with wool. Good insulator against hot



Really!!!???



There is the argument that wool 'breathes' whereas very tight weave cotton drill and duck sometimes cant and can make you sweat/suffer heat more.

Equally I remember reading about Afrika Korps soldiers who learnt to wear woolen 'belly wraps' around the abdomen to prevent the internal organs being really messed up by the extreme heat - whihc was apparently the custom of local tribesmen.

Insulation does work both ways i guess.

I'm not incredibly convinced by either tale but I can see the logic in it.

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If you get hot, take your tunic off and roll your sleeves up. Back in the day, the troops didn't have the luxury of a walk in wardrobe following them around to change in to whatever costume suited the weather conditions they might be experiencing. Yes, they might have got hot in the day but you can bet your marching boots that you'd be glad of that wool tunic to throw on at night - and your greatcoat.

Neil


While i totally agree with you Neil i think we have to be realistic as well and remember that the avearage guy in the 40s pretty much lived every day regardless of the weather (as a civilian) in a wool/serge/tweed whatever suit, often with a wastecoat or sweater... with an overcoat for the winter.

Being in shirt sleeves wasnt really that accepatable even in very hot weather unless you were at home or doing physical labour.

I think our forefather were just hardier guys and far more used to being either very hot or very cold.

Given we've all grown up wearing shorts and t-shirts whenever the UK sun decides to give us even a fair day and ramping up the central heating as soon as september draws close we're all a bit spoilt. While a few people can 'hack it' i think *most* of our generation would be really struggling to survive the way 40s soldiers did.

I tried doing a Crich show in March (may even have been August actually) once with just all issue kit and i froze my knackers off all night even in longl underwear, battledress, a wool blanket and a rain cape over the top... it was so cold i couldnt even sleep.

Now maybe i'm just a massive wuss but back in the day i'd do exercises in the army out in the open in February and not gumble (much) but the difference was kit that kept me at the temperature I was able to sleep at.

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Gadge wrote:

I'm not incredibly convinced by either tale but I can see the logic in it.


Me neither :wink:

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HauptmannRSW wrote:
Would it look "normal" for an EM SS impression (14th SS) to wear M43 Wool Trousers with an M43 HBT Tunic?


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my personal advice would be to simply drink plenty of water stay hydrated and its just sunburn you have to worrie about then (for us gingers at least ) if possible build a shelter that can provide shade so you can have 15 minute breaks when applicable. heat stroke is baseically hypothermia in the reverse keep hydrated and somewhat cool and youl be fine but be cautious as well but the weather as it is this year in the uk i dont think overheating is really possible :P

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