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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 15:24 pm 
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Just a quick question regarding the use and issue of tunics in patterns such as oakleaf and blurred edge. There are a few repro's out there, but how common would they of been? Is it a correct assumption that these would more than likely of been field made items rather than issue items? Would these have been worn like the dot44 tunics - over a normal tunic during the winter, and by itself in summer, with minimal insignia?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 17:25 pm 
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any camo tunic other than dot44 would have been tailor made and out of the price range of a gren or junior NCO,
only an officer would have been able to afford the cost to get one made

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I did figure it'd be an officer thing, thats not a major issue as thats doable. I'm more curious to know how common would it be? I've not seen much in the way of pictures of such tunics in use, which would suggest it wasn't that common.

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i have a full set of german newsreel and i have only seen 1 officer wearing a camo tunic so it was very uncommon to see

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Thanks, I thought that'd be the case. I'll perhaps keep it as a wall hanger if I indeed get one, or use it for airsoft rather than reenactment. I have fallen in love with panther-stores oakleaf print ;)

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just had a look at the panther-store tunics and they look like they are made of HBT which is incorrect, as all the tunics where made from zeltbhans and they where only made from a heavy poppy cotton matrial and not HBT

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Yes, I did realise that too. They are made from the same HBT the trousers are made from. Is a lovely print on the trousers though ;)

One for airsoft then :)

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airsoft, I would say so

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The following (abbreviated) information was taken from CAMOUFLAGE UNIFORM of the WAFFEN-SS by Michael Beaver / J.F. Borsarello.

"Dot44 was not the only camouflage pattern to be used for the M-44 Drill Uniform.
When the camouflage drill uniform was introduced, the manufacture of pullover smocks was discontinued. Consequently, stock piles of preprinted HBT camouflage material intended for smocks was rendered available. Because smocks were reversible, the fabric was double printed, however most drill uniforms made from this material were assembled with the brown autumn colours on the exterior."

Doesn't help with how common they were, but they do appear to have been factory made.


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Thanks for the info.

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Why is it okay for airsoft use but not reenactment? I understand the reenactment argument and I abide by it. But when it comes to airsoft, why doesn't authenticity matter as much? Surely we all want our kit to be as correct as possible and if you're a reenactor shouldn't that be a part of your code of conduct? I can understand the casual airsofter having incorrect gear but guys doing reasearch and being part of the reenactment scene should strive to be as authentic as possible regardless of airsoft/reenactment use or not.

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PS: not that I'm picking on you GraemeMac, I don't want you to take offence. I mean in terms of the airsoft mil-sim community as a whole in terms of quality. For me, my airsoft gear is essentially the same as my reenactment gear just a different time period but authenticity wise I want to be as close to the real thing as possible. I kind of see it as reenactment (in a way) but with airsoft guns (which in my opinion beats the b-jeebus out of blank firers any day!).

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Because....its airsoft.

I'm sorry, but airsoft for me is somewhere I can wear what works, and what I'm comfortable wearing. You are afterall playing with toy guns in the woods, not in the company of fellow reenactors, nor are we being watched by the public.

Might be different if every player on site was 100% accurate with their gear, or even in period kit, but they aren't. So I will wear what works. Oakleaf is a fantastic pattern, beats field grey every time.

At the same time, I'm not taking the p**s with my choice of kit, I'm using a garment that wasn't exactly common, not as if it didn't exist however....

Every day airsoft is NOT reenactment, never will be.

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I used to paintball back in the early nineties in full US Army Vietnam issue kit, all genuine stuff apart from the weapon. I wore jungle boots, leaf pattern helmet cover, flack vest, the works. To me I was "in country" just for a Sunday but I was reenacting as accurately as I could, loving it but everyone else was wearing British army overalls and they too loved it so I guess we get out what we put in. We have fun regardless.


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Same here, whenever I paintballed as a kid I wore full on reenactment grade Waffen SS gear! Accept no substitutions!

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Same here, whenever I paintballed as a kid I wore full on reenactment grade Waffen SS gear! Accept no substitutions!


I guess Genosse, with Paintball Weapon Systems you can be Liquidated in a very real sense... :wink:


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