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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 23:41 pm 
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Right, i'm putting together a couple of German impressions for next year but am lost on a couple of questions, so any help would be much appreciated.

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I want to do an impression to go with a nice SS officer's crusher I have, consisting of an 44 blouse and italian trousers but would rather have the insignia of a less "popular" unit. I originally wanted to do Charlemagne, but cookie confirmed they never used italian camo, and I just enjoy it so much it's one of the main reasons for my new impression.

So any ideas what division this look would be suitable for? which is preferably a foreign legion such as Flandern, and not 1st or 12th.

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I'm putting together a Heer Cavalry Dress uniform, and am considering sometimes wearing a sabre with it, but was there an Officer's cavalry sabre? I can't find reference to one, I know previously they carried the silver, somewhat plain, sabre and have found reference to NCO's carrying these but cannot find anything about offficers? Did they carry the standard black and gold Heer sabre?
Also what would be the correct portepee for a cavalry officers sabre?

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Italian cam wise sir you are realy stuck with 1st and 12th SS as they were the units that used in a large scale

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As Franz has stated, photographic evidence does show the majority of italian camoflage issued kit being passed to the 1st and 12th SS. I haven't really seen many photos of italian trousers being worn with the M44 blouse (but I'm willing to be wronged on that one :lol: )
Also, if you were going towards an officer impression, why not look at having the tunic altered just as they would have done back then. There is a really nice photograph on page 130 'German Army uniforms 1933/1956' showing an officer of the 76th Panzer Corps with a modified M44 Field Blouse.

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Very true, mostly 1st and 12th used Italian camo, not really sure of any other units that did to be honest. Make sure that you get some decent Italian camo if you are going to use it, the brick red stuff from Spearhead and most other places isn't right as it is more the post war pattern, the wartime 1929 pattern were more earthy tones and didn't stand out from eachother so much.

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Some police units deployed on anti-partisan duties in the Balkans wore tunics and trousers made from Italian camo, local manufacture, limited issue.
Anyway police units are a no go area for re-enactment impressions. So its the boys in the black stuff. :)

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Damn being authentic!

Thanks for the help, I did think that about the 1st and 12th but had my fingers crossed for something else.
I think i'll have to do peas pattern or do 12th, as you said i'm certainly not doing the police units!

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Make sure that you get some decent Italian camo if you are going to use it,
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I've been reading a lot on various forums and found out what is good and what isn't.

Thanks for all the help guys and gals.

Although,
Any idea on specific cavalry swords at all?

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The Flemish in the Sturmbrigade Langemarck (1943) and the division Langemarck (1944-45) didn't use Italian camo.

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24th SS Kartsjager?

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Wouldn't the 29th Waffen-Grenadier Division have used it too? A 29th Waffen-Grenadier impression would definitely be different from the norm.

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Kaukischer Waffen Verbande der SS?

I've seen photos of them in Italian cammo...

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The 29th 'Vendetta' Waffen SS division are known to have worn Normal M40 jackets and Pantaloons or M41 Jackets and trousers, or a mix of the M40 jacket and M41 trousers. All Grey Green wool. If they wore camo, it would've been the Italian styled camoflage Sahariana smock. When it comes to Italian units wearing Camo, then you would be best to look at the Decima Mas or Paratroop divisions.

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The higher the SS Divisional number, the more dubious the unit. Those units involved in anti-partisan or rear area security actions are the most dubious, too many 'unfortunate errors' associated with them.

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The higher the SS Divisional number, the more dubious the unit. Those units involved in anti-partisan or rear area security actions are the most dubious, too many 'unfortunate errors' associated with them.


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Their use of Italiano material is also held almost as much a crime...... :wink:
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Hmmm. I think you`ll find the Handschar division also used Italian camo. Not sure about the `44 tunic though...

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