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Hi my name is Paul and this is my first posting. I'm hoping there are enough people out there with snippets of information or even one person with all the information who would be willing to help. Please.........

I'm looking for information on Army Kriegsberichter, more specifically The Gross Deutschland Kriegsberichter Platoon around 1943. Unfortunately I cant find any pictures showing clear views of the uniform. I understand the waffenfarbe should be dove grey but prior to 1943 was lemon?
I assume, as they seem to be referred to as "Gross Deutschlands Kriegsberichter platoon", they would wear GD shoulder boards and cuff title. Does anyone know if they would also wear a Kriegsberichter cuff title and if so which one?
"Kriegsberichter Des Heeres"
"PropagandaKompanie"
"PK Kriegsberichter" (seem to remember seeing this one somewhere on the internet but cant find it again now)
or some other?
If if they do wear a second cuff title which arm?
if on the right arm above or below the GD title?
And where I can source the correct cuff title?

It may sound like I haven't done any research and just dumped a load of questions on you all but I have tried, and failed to find the info I need. It may be in one of the three volume set "Uniforms and Insignia of the Grossdeutschland Division" by Scott Pritchett but at around £95 its a little steep for me and if anyone is wondering, yes I have tried the library its not in the system unfortunately.
I have found Cuff titles Kriegsberichter Des Heeres in the US priced at $27.50 and $20.00 at "Soldat" and "At The Front" (reasonable enough) BUT by the time you add on their postage charges it comes out at £40+ for a cuff title again rather expensive especially when a GD title is £10-£16 and a PropagandaKompanie one can be bought for £13 from UK suppliers like Militaria-net Epic Militaria or Regalia Specialist.

So, Many Thanks for any and all help it would be very much appreciated.

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better luck on the panzergrenadier forum , guy called botty is into his Kriegsberichter , and does GD

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Cyrus Lee makes Kriegsberichter cuff titles, or any cuff titles, to order:

http://soldat.com

I actually have an M44 tunic with SS-Kriegsberichter cuff title applied. I also had applied the 'Kurt Eggers' award cuff title to place above it, both on the left sleeve.

For extra realism you will need appropriate period cameras. The main camera of choice for a 'KB' was a 'Leica' which are now very expensive and rare. However, if you search on eBay they do some very good replica Leicas, which basically are cheap Russian copies but modified very well.

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Get in touch with Botty mate.

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The GD Kreigsberichter is an impression I have been researching for years, but as you say there is almost nothing out there in the way of information or photographic evidence. Having spoken to Botty on several occassions about this, I have to agree he is probably the best person to ask, but I think he may be on a 'time out' from re-enacting at the moment.

As far as I know you are correct about the waffenfarbe changing from light yellow to light grey at some point during the war. Regarding the cufftitles, I am under the impression that the normal 'Grossdeutschland' cufftitle was worn on the right sleeve and the 'Kriegsberichter Des Heeres' cufftitle was worn on the left sleeve. As I say though, this information is subject to confirmation but is based on what little we can piece together.

I can't remember where I bought my 'Kriegsberichter Des Heeres' cufftitle from, but seem to remember that it was only available with the script woven in aluminium thread.

One thing I do know is that the Kriegsberichter was not issued cameras and photographic equipment by the army. Usually they were proffessional photographers by trade before they joined the army and therefore used the kit they already had themselves, hence why there is a variation of the cameras that were used. One of the most common was the Leica, as it was one of the best cameras of its time.

If you do find more information on GD Kreigsberichters, please post it up here and share what you find, as this is how the information lives on.

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I sympathise with your frustration :D , good quality information you will be happy to rely on is hard to find.

I have not specifically looked at GD Kriegsberichter so wont be able to answer some of your questions. In fact are we sure there really was a specific GD Kriegsberichter unit? Propagandakompanie 691 seems to mirror the postings of GD up until mid/late 1943 so I am not sure this was not an attachment (happy to be proved wrong).

But here goes:
1) Get a Propagandakompanie cuff title, I have never seen an original photo of Kriegsberichter des Heer (shame I have the KB des Heer on my tunic :oops: )
2) Wear it on either sleeve. I have original pictures from the Bundesarchiv of it being worn on either sleeve (odd for such a regimented army as the Wehrmacht but there you go)
3) The specialised troops such as the photographers appear to be more likely to be Sonderfuhrer so Waffenfarbe should not be a problem (although getting an authentic sonderfuhrer uniform together will be)
4) Use the camera you are happy with. I like the Zeiss Contax range but these can be expensive and difficult/expensive to repair if they break. The replica Leica cameras would be a good alternative and can be much easier to keep working.
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Hi Botty thanks for getting back to me. Some great info there.

I only have one image of a Kriegsberichter, it came from a friend of mine. It shows an unterfelweble, looks like Heer wearing 1943 Uniform and Ski Cap. Though he does have the Luftwaffe Ground Combat Badge he also wears the Heer Style Eagle on his right breast and cap not a Lufty one.

With regard to his cuff-title in the photo (and this is the only genuine photo of a KB with a clearly visible cuff title I have ever seen that's not SS Kriegsberichter or Kurt Eggers) he wears it on the left sleeve and it only says "Kriegsberichter" above that he is wearing the Africa cuff-title with palms (according to the caption introduced in 1943). I think we can safely assume the photo is 1943 or later.

Since my original posting the on-line research I have done has left me with the following impression - Originally Kriegsberichters were enlisted men sometime later (I think around 1943) they were given the Sonderfuhrer rank effectively an honorary rank for people who had non-military skills of use to the military and later still the military decided they needed to put KB's through officer training so they would have a "real" Rank with some authority to it.

As for GD Kriegsberichter I first came across any reference to them on Wikipedia, maybe not the worlds most reliable source, but I have since then bought the Spearhead book on GrossDeutschland and got hold of a few PDF format books on GrossDeutschland the consensus seems to be they were unique in the Heer because they were the only Heer unit
"with a permanent Kriegsberichter platoon"
That reads to me as though maybe they were attached to the regiment on a permanent basis from a parent unit raising the question would they have worn the GD cuff-title/shoulder boards?

I have also read
1- The platoon had some responsibility with regards to recruitment within their remit... I suspect that would mean specifically producing material aimed at encouraging volunteers to join the unit.

2-They were also responsible for the "Die Feuerwehr" or The Firebrigade GDs own magazine or newsletter circulated within the unit. So called because of GrossDeutshclands nickname of "the Fuhrers Firebrigade".

Both of which would be on top of supplying positive stories from the front of GDs exploits for the press back home. So it is possib;e they were a genuine GrossDeutschland Kriegsberichter Platoon Drawn from another unit(s), rather than specifically a platoon from a parent unit attached to GrossDeutschland (but that is pure speculation on my part)
To let the imagination run wild for a moment if Propagandakompanie 691 mirror the postings of GD up until mid/late 1943 maybe the platoon originated from Propagandakompanie 691

That said the impression I have gone for at the moment is based on the above described photo enlisted man with GD cuff-title on the right arm KB ciff-title on the left arm GD shoulder boards and dove grey waffenfarbe. I had the Kriegsberichter Cuff-title made based on the photo the embroidery is slightly small but just says "Kriegsberichter" in white on a thick black felt background with white Russian Braid top and bottom.

I didn't realise the camera equipment was personal kit and not issued that helps a lot. Ill probably go for a Russian Kiev I'm not worried about it actually working. Im am a pro photographer and shoot on modern kit, its a compromise to authenticity I am forced to make when actually taking photographs but for living history a Contax or Leica Copy with some old film and an old type writer would be great. I have tried looking for some Sonderfuhrer shoulder boards which is a non starter so far.

If I'm wrong on any of the above information please do put me right as you have no doubt spent far more time researching this than I have.

Another question which has come up for me is that of weapons how would a Kriegsberichter be armed? P38 side arm? K98 & Bayonet?

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That is Johannes Hoenscheid. See the link here for another picture of him.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... dge&page=3

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Thanks for that Karl,

I have done a brief Google search on his name and come up with little or nothing just now do you know if there are any sites with more info about him?

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Yes thats the chap, my mistake I have got that photo, I had just forgotten. As to your last question, judging by his awards you could use just about any weapon you care to choose!

As to Sonderfuhrer. 'Reporter der Holle' has pictures of PK soldiers from the earliest war period (shaking hands with their Russian counterparts in Poland 1939) in Sonderfuhrer uniforms.

This book also suggests equipment was issued. It lists the 3 issue cine cameras, Askania, Arriflex and Seimens B. If you were a specialist in this field I expect you would have been inducted with your own equipment. But what happens is if was lost/damaged in the field? My camera/lens set up cost £150 in 1937. I believe the house I grew up in was built in the same year and cost £900. If you lost yours while in service would you be able to afford to buy another? With war production going to the army COULD you have found one to buy?

I got my copy of the spearhead GD book out today and re-read it. Can't find any reference to GD Propagandakompanie in it?


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I have double checked my sources regarding the existence of a GD Kriegsberichter Platoon and you are right no reference to to in Guderians Eastern Front Elite also double checked the PDFs I had to hand again I came up empty.
Oh the embarrassment of writing from memory and realising it was senior moment :oops:

So I went back to the web, to where I knew I had found the first reference

1- Wikipedia, which says this.....
"Kriegsberichter (War Correspondent Platoon)
Responsible for recruitment and propaganda literature. GD was fairly unique in having its own correspondents permanently assigned to the division."

I'm certain I have seen reference to a KB Platoon other than on-line but I'm beggared if I can work out where.

Armed with this is was time to Google and yahoo, They turned up plenty of word for word clones from Wikipedia but also these references...

2 - From a German Forum - http://wk2reenactment.siteboard.de/wk2reenactment-about2958.html
Thread titled Panzer-Grenadier Division Großdeutschland in one posting discussing GD Is this line

"- Propagandafokus, die Div hatte einen eigene Kriegsberichter-Zug"

As close as I can translate (thanks to both Google Translate, Babel Fish and my extremely poor knowledge of German it says - "Propaganda focus the Division had a separate War correspondent platoon"
(To attempt to read the whole forum with Google translate is a pain but you can get the gist of the conversation.)

3- Another link this time to Grossdeutschland net suggest a KB Platoon if only in a visual (third picture top line)
http://www.grossdeutschland.net/organisation02.html

4- Last but not least this from the blurb for the book "God Honour Fatherland A Photo history of Panzer Grenadier Division Grossdeutschland on the Eastern Front 1942 to 1944"

"Now for the first time, the faces of these men, at rest and in battle, can be seen through the images gleaned from hundreds of photographs taken by the divisions war correspondents or Kriegsberichter. This outstanding selection of photographs, which until recently remained unseen for decades in a European archive, have been recovered and painstakingly researched by authors Remy Spezzano and Thomas McGuirl. Together with the assistance of the divisions Veterans association,.............."

http://www.motorbooks.com/Store/ProductDetails_38398.ncm

While 3 out the 4 of the sources i turned up are wide open for debate as to whether their source was Wiki and therfore accurate, I doubt very much that God Honour Fatherland used Wiki as its source. So I think halfway decent circumstantial case for Wiki's accuracy and my memory? That said it could still all fall apart but God Honour Fatherland is now in my letter to Santa for 2010 :lol:

The books which I think could really help on this question are the "Uniforms and Insignia of the Grossdeutschland Division" series by Scott Pritchett but with three volumes running at £80-£100 per volume :shock: Santa certainly wont be loading those on his sleigh any time soon. Yes I have checked the Local and Central Library.

As for weapons after checking the photos earlier today I though exactly the same thing just choose a weapon.

From what you have just told me about Sonderfuhrer ranks it sounds like most combinations would work for 1943?

I have done a little research on the British AFPU (Army Film Photography Unit) As far as I can tell their rank structure was that of a regular Army unit but they were all Sgt. or above in rank. They would take enlisted men who would sit an exam if they passed they gained stripes and were badged AFPU. But... If the guy came into the unit from civvy street he would be badged to the Royal Army Service Corps because AFPU were part of the RASC. However.... If the guy transferred in from another unit it seems he kept his original units cap badge head gear etc. but added AFPU badge and stripes.

If the Germans were working in similar manner or had multiple systems running at once for PK/KB dependant upon which arms of the service and or units were involved, which it sounds like they may have been.
Im thinking about Propaganda Kompanie Cuff Titles and Kriegsberichter Cuff-titles,
SS Kriegsberichter Cuff titles becoming Kurt Eggers,
An unterfeldwebble KB in 1943 and Sonderfuhrer in 1939,
the possibility of either GD Kreigberichter Zug or a Platoon attached from a PropagandaKompanie
Their may be no definitive answer available but im not ready to stop looking for one.

Again I'm always happy to be corrected, what do think?

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Take a look at this link to a thread on the WAForum that I was included in. It shows the make up of a PK Platoon in 1939 and also in the post it explains the different jobs within the platoon. It explains that although there was a stucture, when the men were in the field they tended to be posted out in dribs and drabs rather than as a full unit.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... ost4184416

Regarding the KB Platoon within GD, as shown in your 3rd reference in the above post, I have seen this diagram showing the order of battle of GD but in an original form. I will try to find the diagram and scan it in when I get home next week. But I have read many references that when GD expanded from an Infantry Regiment up to a Division in 1942, they were assigned their own KB Platoon.

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I've come across that thread before but not seen the post dated 25/08/2010, regarding the veteran Kriegsberichter which is interesting, it sounds "right". The idea that something new comes into force on a set date in any organisation and is instantly adopted across the organisation by everyone from that point on would be totally unrealistic. The Idea that officers had Waffenfarbe colours changed pretty sharpish but he and mates kept yellow for some while after that rings true to me.

Can anyone tell me what is what regarding Cuff-titles in General, Ignoring the SS for the moment to try and make things a little more simple.

Am I right in thinking, in the Heer, Cuff-titles were of three different types.

The GrossDeutschland type "honour"
The Creta or Africa type "Award or decoration"
The Kriegsberichter type "Trade or specialism"

Was there a fourth type I am wondering because titles like Feldgendarmerie or PropagandaKompanie seem more general terms than Kriegsberichter.


I am asking because I am trying to work out the difference between a "Kriegsberichter" and a "Propaganda Kompanie" Cuff Title
Which raises the question did "Kriegsberichter Des Heer" exist as a cuff title I thought I had seen a Repro or read somewhere of a "PK Kriegsberichter" one.

Botty has never seen an original photo of the "Kriegsberichter Des Heer" Cuff title has anyone else?
We know there was the "Kriegsberichter" one in existence the photos are above of Johannes Hoenscheid wearing it.

I'm Guessing, but it looks to me like there were a number of systems running parallel here.

To go back to the allies they had the AFPU who only did film and photography. If civilians were embedded with units they would wear uniform and badges (and I think hold an honorary Sgt rank) They look like soldiers in photos but they are Civilian. I also think the army also had their own journalists but have no idea of their organisation.

I doubt the Heer would exactly mirror the above system so What exactly is a PropagandaKompanie I assume its a military unit of kompanie strength who deal in producing propaganda (please someone am i right?) If so what does the rank structure seem to be? genuine military ranks or Zonderfuhrer? or a mix of both?

I know in the modern British Army Combat photographers are soldiers first who also carry army issued photography kit and produce frontline combat photos (and more) for the Army. There are also MOD employed civilian photographers and Journalists who don't do front line stuff but do sometimes work in theatre of operations again with MOD equipment, then there are times when civilians are allowed into certain events or situations by the army for specific reasons eg embedded with units or visit units who are on operational tours.

From the photo it looks like Johannes Hoenscheid may have been soldier first and Kriegsberichter second based on his awards and badges. How many PK/KB/zonders seem to have awards like Tank destruction badges or similar?
Does anyone know what unit Johannes Hoenscheid was actually a member of not which units he worked alongside but his own parent outfit?

Is there any reason the Heer would not run their own parallel systems for producing words and picture for the media themselves and the outside world the way the allies did or the British do now?

I know this away from my original questions but clearing up the bigger picture may help with the more specific questions relating to GrossDeutschland.

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Is there any reason the Heer would not run their own parallel systems for producing words and picture for the media themselves and the outside world the way the allies did or the British do now?



The Propagandakompanies WERE the system for producing the words and pictures. Nazi Germany was no hot bed of free speech! There is a good thread on the Wehrmacht awards web site that explains how they fitted into the Reich propaganda machinery which I will post the link to when I have a bit of time.

Below is an overview of the organisation of a typical Kompanie. However as said earlier the troops tended to operate in small detatched units. To the extent that they were provided with a piece of ID that entitled them to requsition any vehicle they liked in connection with the job. I dearly want to repo that! This was also why, I believe, the troops were give Sonderfurher status, so that every passing Leutnant and Feldwebel did not 'take them over' with new orders.


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Thats Great Thank you....

I found this on-line at http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Propaganda/Propaganda-R.htm

I have translated as best I can (using a combination of free on-line translation pages) info from the above link, a section including info about Divisions "known" to have their own Kriegsberichter Platoons. It seems Panzer-Grenadier-Division Großdeutschland had its own Kriegsberichterzug from 1942. There is far more info at the link if any German speakers fancy a bash at translation or correction of my attempt at translation.

I wonder how good lexikon-der-wehrmacht sources are? The home page says.....

"Lexicon Der Wehrmacht
To commemorate the dead of the Second World War.
her death a reminder for all of us may be."

2. Propaganda companies and Platoons:

Propaganda companies and Heereskriegsberichterzüge (Army Kriegberichter Platoons) operated in the same areas as the front line troops, armies and army groups. In the rear areas of the armies and army groups, its duties often overlapped with those of other Propaganda-Abteilungen (propaganda departments/units?).
Basically each army should receive a propaganda company that was subordinate to the army signals regiment ( I think this is actually saying they were part of the signals and means they would wear the Yellow Waffenfarbe), in addition came starting from 1943 Heereskriegsberichterzüge (Army Kriegberichter Platoons) for individual army groups. Beyond that there was individual independently used Kriegsberichterstaffeln. (Litteral Translation is War Correspondent Graduates)

In the Waffen SS, since the formation of the first divisions, it was usual to assign them a Kriegsberichterzug (Kriegberichter Platoon). One can look at this as an early form of the "Embedded Journalism". The result for the Waffen SS was an above average amount of photography and reports were available – substantially more, than the whole (or rest?) of the military put together. The result is the presence of reports on the Waffen SS are immense over the duration of 2nd world war even today

In the army and the Air Force a division had its own own Kriegsberichterzüge (Kriegberichter Platoon) only in exceptional circumstances. This is proven:

- the 162. (turkestanischen) infantry division as „propaganda course Ostlegion “, whereby the task of this course was appropriate for more in the political influence of the soldiers.
- the infantry division (MOT) and Panzer Grenadier division “GrossDeutschland” from the beginning of of 1942.
- the Führer-Grenadier-Brigade and/or. later Führer-Grenadier-Division starting from autumn 1944.
- Führer-Begleit-Brigade and/or. later Führer-Begleit-Division starting from at the end of of 1944
- Propaganda course Crete (with own KStN. 915). This course was however more in the range of actual active propaganda actively.

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http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... p?t=298544

As promised.

Looks like we are getting somewhere. I wonder if I can get my wife to translate the lexicon der Wehrmacht article? Not the most enjoyable activity if you are not interested in the subject I imagine.

I am currently waiting for delivery of this book:

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