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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:08 am 
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Would anyone out there have / or know any where where I can get detailed drawings of a k 98 grenade launcher or silencer
( must have measurements or something as a scale on the side )

This is for a silencer/ moderator that I'm thinking of getting made up
This is going to be held on a F A C of course so don't panic

The silencer did exist and is a very rare item and the base is the same as the grenade launcher that's why I'm asking for both

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there was a cup type launcher used on the K98, it fired a variety of different sized rounds, as for the silencer, never heard of one, cant see how you coudl atatch one as there barrel of the K98 has no threading of any kind, the grenade launcher was atached to the barrel, this site has some good pics and info on them, also the osprey ww2 anti tank tactics book has info on the launcher too http://www.fjr2.be/Pagina%2017%20-%20He ... eapons.htm

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http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewt ... =2&t=28786

it did exist and they are very rare

it attatched to the barrel exactly the same as the grenade launcher , but it was 1 piece not 2 like the grenade launcher , the body was straight as there was no threaded section

i have an article on it somewhere on my computer

ill have to dig it out and post it here
as it makes more sence that trying to explain

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lol, looks as though they have taken the grenade launcher and modded it to make it into a slincer hah, thanks for that, didnt know there was one for the rifles, wonder if those and the launchers are still available for a not so ridiculous price.

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Be very careful with owning the launcher.
Be sure you are legally allowed to have one.
Be sure your license [which section of the act do they come under?] is up to date or the devise is deactivated to the correct standard.
They are not easy to find and are expensive because of this.

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wonder if it would be legal to make a non working replica of these?

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Make it out of resin or plastic and you might scrape through.
I would not want to test the law with a metal replica of the launcher.
Firearms act 1968 Section 5 1 ae
5 Weapons subject to general prohibition.
(1) A person commits an offence if, without the authority of the Defence Council [F8or the Scottish Ministers (by virtue of provision made under section 63 of the Scotland Act 1998)], he has in his possession, or purchases or acquires, or manufactures, sells or transfers—
(ae) any rocket launcher, or any mortar, for projecting a stabilised missile, other than a launcher or mortar designed for line-throwing or pyrotechnic purposes or as signalling apparatus.

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I'd heartily agree with the resin or plastic method. However in theory one could make it out of solid metal, probably aluminum due to weight, and counter bore 30mm or so but I'd not like to test the legal defense.

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I was thinking more along the silencer idea, perhaps modding an airsoft one, wouldnt even consider making a launcher, tho a blank smoke launching one would be interesteing.

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here is the article that i mentioned

so it did exist

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Interesting, although from experience I'm not sure quite how suppressed the report would be using a small moderator like that on a 7.92. It would certainly take the crack out of it and therefore decive the enemy as to location and/or distance of the firer, so job done I suppose. Probably sound like one of our blank shots.

Resin replica would be the way to go, as suggested, countersunk a short way. To de-act an origanal one would, to put it mildly, be a bit of a shame. Moderators can be held on FAC you know?

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To truly silence a gun requires both the absortion of all the propellant gases and for the bullet to be at a subsonic speed when it leaves the muzzle. In the case of the latter, you can either stop the bullet accelerating to supersonic velocity by tapping off some of the gas inside the silencer or use subsonic ammunition. (e.g. the excellent De Lisle carbine uses subsonic .45ACP ammunition)

Hence a lot of 'Hollywood' depictions of silencers are pure BS. As mentioned the device illustrated would merely suppress the sound of the shot... a bit...

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peregrinvs wrote:
To truly silence a gun requires both the absortion of all the propellant gases and for the bullet to be at a subsonic speed when it leaves the muzzle. In the case of the latter, you can either stop the bullet accelerating to supersonic velocity by tapping off some of the gas inside the silencer or use subsonic ammunition. (e.g. the excellent De Lisle carbine uses subsonic .45ACP ammunition


correct .. the .45 ACP is allready a subsonic round


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To de-act an original one would, to put it mildly, be a bit of a shame. Moderators can be held on FAC you know?


anyone who de-activates an original deserves to be beaten to death with it
and yes silencers or moderators as the " politically correct " term can be held on a firearms certificate

thats what i intend to do provided i can get a decent set of blueprints for one

ill just have to keep looking

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just been looking through the de-ac specifications list and believe it or not there is no set guidelines for de-activating a moderator !!!
looked on various web sites and they do recommend removing any baffles and having a rod welded in place accross the path
but there is no certificate to prove it meets a standard and no de-ac stamp

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In that case it would follow that no matter what you do to it the law remains unchanged. Its still a moderator and subject to any legislation pertaining. Which is a bit worrying.

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"any accessory to any such weapon, designed or adapted to diminish the noise or flash caused by firing the weapon".

This "accessory" is known as a moderator or, more commonly, a silencer. So it will be seen that to possess a moderator you will need to have the authority on your firearm certificate, the same as you would for any firearm.


The thing that caught my eye was the word "flash" :roll:

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There is an interesting discussion here about the k 98 silencer

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... p?t=334468

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