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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:09 am 
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Hi y'all
been reading up on soviet infantry tactics and if we manage to recruit enough people on this side of the Irish sea to form a rifle section, we will need a light machine gun.
Saw this on an American site: http://www.mg34.com/DP28.html
Does anyone know anything about these? Would it be a good investment?

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I don't think that American 'non-guns' are legal here in the UK but things may be different in Northern Ireland.

Obviously over here on the mainland we use de-acts - price range seems to be £195-£250 at the moment depending on who you go to.

The 13th have two so we can represent a 'Shock Army' section :wink: .

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No the American "non guns" definitely are not legal here as at the very least they contain a real barrel.

I know NI has a slight variation on mainland gun laws, but I don't think it will allow for the possession of automatic weapon parts :D

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Hi Guys
thanks for the info on this.
I suppose I'm looking for something more than a deact for displays. Would Steve Vickers have one of these for hire as a blank firer?

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Can't remember if I have seen either of the two usual S5 theatrical hire dealers with a DP28.

I suspect the problem will be (like several other WW2 weapons) that it would be hard to make it work with the short 7.62x54R blank that we use with both MN rifles and the Maxim MMG.

Thats probably why its not a regular feature in our skirmishes with the fascists.

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John Oxlade used to have one - that's a few years ago now though so not sure if it's still there.

As Comrade Kozlov says the magazine needs to be adapted to take the short 7.62x54r blanks.

I wonder if the DT would work better?

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I dunno if the DT would be better, the principles still the same, the rounds need to drop from the mag into the open breach and be pushed home. Usually the problem is because of the lack of the pointy end on the blank makes it not go so easily into the tapered breach.

There has to be a reason - especially with John, why they arent available and its almost certainly because of misfire problems.

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Actually I think it was de-acted. The issue is that the base of the round needs to be out at the edge of the pan otherwise it isn't in the right position when it's presented to the weapon and mis-feeds. So, you need a 'filler' in the centre of the pan.

Similarly with drum mags on SMGs you need something to hold the round against the back of the drum. I know Steve Vickers has a small piece of metal welded to the front plate to 'kick' the round backwards as it comes up to the feed lips and I presume John does something similar. Interestingly, (well, if you're a saddo like us :wink: ) when out in the CR I noticed that they used ring shaped bakelite fillers to hold every round back. I don't know if it was an issue item or just something they'd knocked up.

Why do I know all this stuff? :roll:

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So, it's looking like we will need a couple of strong volunteers to tow the maxim up and down the hills. :roll:
How about a lendlease bren gun :?:

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Yes, we normally use the Maxim :D

One thing with the Maxim, you need to have a damned good understanding of this pretty complex weapon to keep it firing with blank.

Luckily our #1 Maxim man is actually very knowledgable.

Its not too much of a problem to move about actually - not on the wheels anyway. Our crew have got it pretty well sorted with moving, setting up and firing now - but only through a lot of trial and error!

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Only if it's got a lend lease carrier underneath it :wink:

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