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 Post subject: Smoke grenades
PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:50 am 
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What did British Smoke grenades look like coz i cant seem to find an image of them anywhere??????

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http://www.inert-ord.net/brit/no77/index.html

There is also the non-WP No.79 which looks like a No.69 but with a green cap and different markings...

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Good luck finding originals, quite rare and expensive.
Motion Picture Props do a good repro, you wont tell them from the image in Andy K's link.
The Relics repro [if they still make it] is rubbish.

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No 77's were all scheduled for destruction in 1948 because of a fault in the metal body that meant they became unsafe!

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Thanks for the info guys very helpful indeed.

The impression i get is that the British didnt have an effective smoke grenade then?

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It was expected that the 2" mortar would cover that role; also there were small smoke pots (which i am looking for 2 of ?)


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WP is a very good and almost instant smoke. What did the 2" mortar use as a smoke generator?

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The 2" mortar was used for smoke (and illum's) before the No.77 - it was the main British smoke dispenser, apart from the much bigger smoke pots and Livens etc.

The rounds were non-WP, just like the No.79.

I am guessing later there were also 2" WP rounds.

Remember a No.77 (or anyone else's WP devices) is both smoke and AP at the same time (ask the Israelis!!)

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Does anyone know where I might get a good repro no.77 smoke grenade nowadays? What Price Glory don't seem to do them any more. I have an original 69 grenade that I might consider exchanging.

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Did WPG ever do them?
MPP was the preferred supplier; http://www.motion-picture-props.com/page16.html
£30 each for a pretty good resin replica.

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Ham & Jam wrote:
Thanks for the info guys very helpful indeed.

The impression i get is that the British didnt have an effective smoke grenade then?



chuck a number 80 WP into the smoke grenade pen at sennybridge and see how effective it is !! They are quite something

2inch smoke bombs were chemical, hexachloraehane or however it's spelt. It takes a few 2 inch smoke bombs to build up a screen and a breeze pisses it away


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Hi mate, these guy's do them. However never bought a grenade off them.

http://relics.org.uk/shop.php?viewcategory=103

Cheers Rick :D


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