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 Post subject: Bren magazines
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 22:34 pm 
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I see there plenty of Bren magazines going cheap. I fancy a couple just to make the webbing contents a bit more historic.

How do they fit within the deactivation and weapons classifications laws? Should they cease to function as originally intended or are they excluded?

The thought occurred to me with the US talking about rendering anything holding more than 10 rounds illegal....


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 Post subject: Re: Bren magazines
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 23:20 pm 
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In the UK, magazines do not have to be altered or deactivated in any way.

However, the firearms into which fit have some of the most stringent deactivation requirements in Europe.

Not sure about the law regarding magazines in France.

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 Post subject: Re: Bren magazines
PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:09 am 
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Reading the laws themselves is bit like reading an ancient bible in latin.

I've seen perfectly normal and fully functional magazines at "bourse d'arms" and Militaria events and also on Nutrabuy (a website for deacts). So sale seems fairly free on these objects within France.

But I have not found any on sale within miltaria shop websites (except armourers and they don't have Bren magazines), probably not surprising as they focus mainly on US Garands or WWI weapons! I have only found a RIF sten but this uses an original magazine which has been de-activated.

Customs application form for Live weapons itself, talks about every weapon part or ammo except the magazine itself.

I think I will contact the shop to find out why magazine has been de-activated for the RIF Sten. In September, the laws will change to re-align with the rest of Europe (whatever that means).


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 Post subject: Re: Bren magazines
PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:22 am 
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Overall, I can buy BB guns, black powder weapons, blank firer, air rifles below certain preasures, bows and arrows, non firing RIFs without a license.

I need a hunting license for a category 5 weapon (shot gun, carbines etc).

Or a TAR lincense for a fully functional (autos converted to single shot only) former military weapons.

Finding most WWII replicas (or downgraded real weapons) that are just blank firers is practically non existant, most going for the TAR or hunting lincense (you need to know your dogs and prey!) option and shooting blanks from those.

Personally I'd create a new lincense for collectors and historians, to allow them to own whatever is required to do a re-enactment or do a collection without actually needing to own a live weapons license and the live weapons that go with it (instead of passing an exam about ducks and dogs, you would be required to identify historic facts). This will also help to avoid black powder weapons, RIFs etc etc falling into the hands of the criminals.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:09 am 
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Just to clarify, while most black powder weapons are single shot musketeer types, you can buy Clint Eastwood cowboy type revolvers or any weapon which historically used only black powder (cartriged or not) without a license (to be able to shoot it may be another thing...).


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 Post subject: Re: Bren magazines
PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:27 am 
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Ok, in France, the magazine is considered part of the firearm and needs to be rendered inert!

Either that or you have a lincense for the firearm concerned that uses that magazine.


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