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 Post subject: Incendiary?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:27 am 
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I just noticed some .303 incendiary rounds ending on ebay. The seller has stated that they were inert. How on earth (knowing the incendiary material is in the head) are incendiaries made inert?

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Hmmmm

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INCENDIARY AMMUNITION IS LOADED WITH A BARIUM/ALUMINUM COMPOUND IN
THE FORWARD PORTION OF THE PROJECTILE. WHEN THE PROJECTILE STRIKES
A RELATIVELY SOLID OBJECT IT DETONATES WITH A BRIGHT FLASH AT
APPROXIMATELY 3,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT TO IGNITE COMBUSTIBLE
MATERIAL.


Doesnt sound that inherently dangerous, however the bullets are Section 5 items....

I'd just take some ball ones and paint the tips to pretend they are incendiary...

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I suspected that they could only be made inert through use. I hope no-one from the UK bought them. Admittedly the seller was in Malta.

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So what can i do with the live 50 cal incendiary round i dug up in my paddock then, can it be deactivated?


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Well, as a Section 5 item I'd either hand it in or dispose of it somewhere....

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Armour piercing bullets are also section 5 items, but i'm forever seeing things like Boyes AT rounds for sale.

Heres an extact from the home office guide lines, its not clear if it refers to purely live rounds or inert also. I'm thinking inert rounds like Boyes rounds but with AP heads are legal as the item as a whole isn't capable of firing the round.

Chapter 3
PROHIBITED WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION

xii) any ammunition for military use which
consists of, or incorporates, a missile
designed so that a substance contained in
the missile will ignite on or immediately
before impact (section 5(1A)(d));

xiii) any ammunition for military use which
consists of or incorporates a missile
designed, on account of its having a
jacket and hard-core, to penetrate
armour plating, armour screening or
body armour (section 5(1A)(e));

xiv)any ammunition which incorporates a
missile designed or adapted to expand
on impact (section 5(1A)(f));

xv) anything which is designed to be
projected as a missile from any weapon
and is designed to be, or has been
incorporated in, any ammunition falling
within any of the preceding paragraphs
(see xii, xiii and xiv above); or any
ammunition which would fall within
any of those paragraphs but for it being
specified at (viii) above (section 5(1A)(g)).


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No actually its the actual projectile itself that can land you in the do-do.

The Boyes may get around this by being bigger than .50 cal which I believe is the definition of a "bullet".

You can legally own, say, an inert M829A1 120mm, APFSDS-T penetrator (the steel one not the DU one!!) but not a KPV APHEI bullet or inert round.

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INCENDIARY AMMUNITION IS LOADED WITH A BARIUM/ALUMINUM COMPOUND IN
THE FORWARD PORTION OF THE PROJECTILE. WHEN THE PROJECTILE STRIKES
A RELATIVELY SOLID OBJECT IT DETONATES WITH A BRIGHT FLASH AT
APPROXIMATELY 3,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT TO IGNITE COMBUSTIBLE
MATERIAL.


I think Kozlov is describing a type of ammo the RAF used for a short while in the early part of the war which was called De Wilde, it flashed on contact when it hit an aircraft and caused fires . Incendiary bullets were at one time filled with phosphorous, a white creamy substance that ignited in air. The actual bullet is slightly longer and lighter than the ball. I did locate a number of these when i used to excavate wartime crash sites and kept the ones that had burnt out. There is also tracer shot they may be red tipped, but memory fails me at the moment. Just found what colours the bullets are marked.

Armour Piercing - Green tip, Green annulus
Ball - Purple annulus
Incendiary - Blue tip, Blue annulus
Observing - Black tip, Black annulus
Proof - Yellow annulus
Tracer Short Range - White tip, Red annulus
Tracer Dark Ignition - Grey tip, Red annulus
Tracer Long Range - Red tip, Red annulus

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Phos is nasty stuff, my man 1 got burnt by white phos in Iraq, right nasty little blister on his finger it was too!!


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