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 Post subject: Re: V Force Commando's
PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:00 pm 
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So were the V Force commando's?

Bob, not a commando as such that designates them so.

However, if you look at their operational remit then the actions which they took place in could be seen as commando in their process and application.

They were formed as an intelligence and reconnassaince unit .

They gathered intel, and they disrupted supply lines and communications lines.
They were involved with guerilla style raids and ambushes on enemy supply columns.

They recruited local tribes who were not sympathetic to the Japanese and they trained them in sabotage, guerilla warfare, and jungle fighting skills to assist the British with dispersing and delaying the Japanese advance through Burma in 1942.


So, their actions were true to commando ethos, but they weren't formed as a dedicated Commando unit.
Although i did read that some of their ranks were filled with former No5 CDO members.



Hey Jonny and thanks for the clarity!
Yes the V Force is all very confusing. Thier patch has crossed daggers/knifes that appear to be Sykes knifes.
Lots of sites selling the patches and badges state "V Force Commando's".
I few bits of literature also refer to them as Commando's.



Yeah, the badge is unclear and does present like a CDO insignia.

Incidentally, if you need one i have a spare decent repro V Force badge. Ideal for a slouch hat pugaree.

Remember, the insignia wasn't worn all that much in theatre. Very few examples of it being worn in combat mucker.


I already have a nice V Force Badge and for the outfit I have a cap comforter. My slouch is for my other outfit.
I have read that no patches or badges were worn at all, in case they were captured!

Spot on. Not many units did wear insignia in the Far East, certainly not rank.

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If you look at the definition of the noun 'commando ', it says that it is a soldier specially trained for carrying out raids. So,even though they weren't given the unit designation commando,as has already been said,the job they were tasked to do definitively made them a 'commando' unit.


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Buck wrote:
If you look at the definition of the noun 'commando ', it says that it is a soldier specially trained for carrying out raids. So,even though they weren't given the unit designation commando,as has already been said,the job they were tasked to do definitively made them a 'commando' unit.


Hey Buck.
Thanks for the reply.
Very interesting about the definition!

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It's worth bearing in mind,that before the 'commando' designation came into use, they were special service battalions and independent companies serving in special service brigades. It was only because the men objected to wearing SS ( special service) badges that it got changed. Churchill wanted 20,000 'storm troops' or ' leopards' to 'leap at the throat of any invasion. As the threat of invasion receded,the special service brigades were turned to more offensive operations.
It's interesting to note that in war diaries of the 6th Airborne Division in 1944, they talk of special service brigades,not commando.
So what was a commando? They certainly weren't used solely for daring raids, there were elements of no.8 commando at Tubruk,elements of no.7 and 8 commando were used to reinforce the garrison on Crete. I would imagine they were used much like the airborne were used. If an OC had them to use,he used them in whatever capacity he saw fit,such as line infantry to shore up areas in need. Just look at how 1st airborne was misused in North Africa and Italy,fighting as line infantry.
Looking back on history, we tend to use the 'generic' term 'commando' to mean any highly trained,specialist troops whereas at the time, the men of many highly trained specialist units didn't,LRDG,Popski's Private Army and indeed V Force for example but by definition that's exactly what they were.The term 'commando' probably wasn't in widespread use during the war, and many serving soldiers probably didn't even know what a 'commando' was, to them it was just another unit title, amongst the plethora of homemade titles that were created during the war.


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It's worth bearing in mind,that before the 'commando' designation came into use, they were special service battalions and independent companies serving in special service brigades. It was only because the men objected to wearing SS ( special service) badges that it got changed. Churchill wanted 20,000 'storm troops' or ' leopards' to 'leap at the throat of any invasion. As the threat of invasion receded,the special service brigades were turned to more offensive operations.
It's interesting to note that in war diaries of the 6th Airborne Division in 1944, they talk of special service brigades,not commando.
So what was a commando? They certainly weren't used solely for daring raids, there were elements of no.8 commando at Tubruk,elements of no.7 and 8 commando were used to reinforce the garrison on Crete. I would imagine they were used much like the airborne were used. If an OC had them to use,he used them in whatever capacity he saw fit,such as line infantry to shore up areas in need. Just look at how 1st airborne was misused in North Africa and Italy,fighting as line infantry.
Looking back on history, we tend to use the 'generic' term 'commando' to mean any highly trained,specialist troops whereas at the time, the men of many highly trained specialist units didn't,LRDG,Popski's Private Army and indeed V Force for example but by definition that's exactly what they were.The term 'commando' probably wasn't in widespread use during the war, and many serving soldiers probably didn't even know what a 'commando' was, to them it was just another unit title, amongst the plethora of homemade titles that were created during the war.


Thanks Buck, really interesting stuff.

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No probs,that's what the forum is for,isn't it?


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No probs,that's what the forum is for,isn't it?


You'd be surprised sometimes!

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Yup,I'm finding that out! Lol.


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Well said Buck.

At last someone else on the forum who actually helps and assists rather than castigates and criticises.

Buy that man a pint.

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Knowledge is something to shared not hoarded. :D


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Did the V Force Commandos fix planes as well?

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Did the V Force Commandos fix planes as well?


There wasn't effectively any planes in Burma.

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Did the V Force Commandos fix planes as well?


There wasn't effectively any planes in Burma.


There were a lot of ineffective ones then that needed fixing?

ever researched and heard of the 1st air commando group.

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Would like to pretend to not see some pictures too?


I mean I normally cant stand bedsandherts but I still enjoy reading his posts . And can even agree and join in with him occasionally even I do think hes a ......

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