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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 17:06 pm 
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Hi, I have a 1928 Ishapore SMLE and have just bought a new nose cap for it as it's in better condition. The problem I have is that after removing the two screws I cannot get the old one to budge!

I'm a bit puzzled by this as it should be straight forward to remove, and I have even tried giving it a tap with a hammer. The only conclusion I can arrive at is that the old one has been fixed to the barrel during the deactivation process but that makes little sense to me.

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try tapping it the other way with a hammer, might loosen the welds if it is, but more likely just seized on?
Have you tried a little penetrating oil?

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I'm guessing it's seized on too as welding it would make little sense. I tried tapping the sides and the front, but it made no difference. I'm a little nervous about going at it too hard or using a screwdriver in case i damage the wood. I assume WD40 may help loosen this up?


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always worked for me!

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Just given it a good squirt with WD40, I'll leave it a while to soak in so hopefully it'll help.


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Which buffoon let the ROC have rifles anyways. ;) Hope it works out alright though mate. If not, bring it along to Peterborough and I'll see if I can give a hand....with Taiters and Nick looking over my shoulder. ;)


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Shrrup you! :lol: Got it sorted now, there's a difference between the one I just removed and the replacement though, anyone know why?


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Well the good news is that it must have come off already when the rifle was deactivated. Next bit of good news is that if it had been welded on, you would see it as there is no way to weld it on from the inside.

Have you go a bayonet for it? If you have, fit it and use a nylon faced hammer or a copper faced hammer and tap on the back of the bayonet. You can give the wood work and bayonet finish some protection by pacing a wrag around the area for some protection. It will come off, it's just tight, probably knocked on with a hammer after it was reassembled.

Oh, you could also remove the mid barrel band and then remove the top wood to remove some of the friction and get a good look in that area.


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dunno, different make? my old smle had a simular nose cap with no fixing for the piling sling.

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I see you've done it.

The one on the left is the later Indian nose cap, often seen on the late Mk3 and 2A/2A1 7.62mm (Indian NATO version of the SMLE). The one on the right is a variation between the early type with piling swivel and the later type with the unfinished piling swivel boss. Note there are no lightning slots under the foresight protector ears.

Which one have you just fitted?


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I've just found the answer, it's an Ishy just like the rifle which is why it fits ok, the bad news is that it's from 1966!! Looks like this one is going on eBay, and I'll re-blue the original.


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Can you show us a photo of your complete rifle?


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It's a 1928 Ishapore SMLE No.1 Mk.III. I've just now replaced the nose cap with the one it came with as it's the proper one, though it's puzzling why it's not got the usual oval cutouts.


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No, that's all correct. Your rifle would have had that type of nose cap fitted. The first type had the rounded ears (Sht LE Mk1 & 1*), the second type was the normal early type fitted to the MkIII with piling swivel, small head screw, lightning cuts etc. The 3rd variation is yours, 4th variation has the solid piling swivel boss (Aussie), 5th variation is the 4th variation with holes in the ears to drift adjust the fore sight. 6th variation is the Indian type you have got.


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m3bobby wrote:
No, that's all correct. Your rifle would have had that type of nose cap fitted. The first type had the rounded ears (Sht LE Mk1 & 1*), the second type was the normal early type fitted to the MkIII with piling swivel, small head screw, lightning cuts etc. The 3rd variation is yours, 4th variation has the solid piling swivel boss (Aussie), 5th variation is the 4th variation with holes in the ears to drift adjust the fore sight. 6th variation is the Indian type you have got.


Cheers for the info, I'd not seen a solid nose cap before and thought it was Indian specific. A friend of mine has a similar Ishapore No. 1 Mk III, and his does have the cuts, I guess like many things in WW2 there were different mods and variations on a theme.


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