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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 17:18 pm 
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is there a simple way or mark that would show a no4 was british.

been offered one from a family friend and is not close to inspect it and they don't really have a clue.is there a way I could ask them for marks to help them distinguish it from uk/us/Canadian?

they do say it has crown stamps on it and a serial number that starts with an S does that mean savage?

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Where the rifle is made such as BSA and Enfield are in the UK and for the US Savage and I think long branch ? For Canadian.

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Where the rifle is made such as BSA and Enfield are in the UK and for the US Savage and I think long branch ? For Canadian.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 17:29 pm 
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yeah that's what I asked him to check but he could not see any of them written on it.ill ask him to have another look.

that's why thought might be another way


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I think an S prefixed serial denotes British production. I'll just see if I can find a suitable reference.

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Looks like it! If you can find out the first number after the letter you can see which factory made it.

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No.4 and No.5 rifle serial numbers can readily identify manufacturers. British No.4 rifles have five numbers, usually after one or two letter prefixes. The same letter prefix(es) were used by Maltby, Fazakerley & BSA Shirley, A to Z then AA, AB to AZ, then BA to BZ, CA to CZ &c. Maltby rifle serial numbers commence with a number '1', Fazakerley with a '2' and Shirley with a '3', e.g. 1xxxx for Maltby, 2xxxx for Fazakerley and for Shirley, 3xxxx, after the letter prefix. Late Shirley numbers then supposedly ran A4000 to A7999 and with PS prefixes at the very end of production. Post-war Fazakerley No.4 rifles had PF letter prefixes. The only exception to the 5-number sequence for No.4 rifles was the initial BSA Shirley production which ran from 0001 to 9999 then went with A to Z prefixes (A0001 to A9999 to the Z prefix) and some early dual letter prefixes (e.g. AT 0303), but then went over to A30001, &c. So early M47C No.4 rifle numbers could be confused with the Jungle carbine in having four rather than five numbers.
Long Branch (Canada) serial numbers incorporate an 'L' in the serial number while US Savage numbers include an 'C' in a similar relative position amongst the numbers. Both of these No.4 rifle series commenced with 0L1 and 0C1 respectively.
No.5 Jungle Carbines only have 4 numbers, the Shirley carbines have BB to C? prefixes, last production was post World War 2. The Fazakerley jungle carbines ran from FE1 to FE1000 initial production, then with no letter prefix, followed by A1 to A9999 through Z9999.


http://www.enfieldcollector.com/serials.html

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thanks that was very helpful.

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If it is a Mk1*, it is defo Stevens Savage or Longbranch. If its a Mk1 with a serial number like 0Cxxxx or 0Lxxxx then it's Stevens or Longbranch.

A British No.4 would have a code similar to M47A or M47C and more than likely have markings out of alignment. They also are mostly electro pencilled with the serial number which can be faint and may have had it restamped by an armourer during use.

Also look for war time codes on the parts and or LB or the squared S of longbranch and Stevens.


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