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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 17:30 pm 
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As the title says, how common were the bayonets for the MKII sten? I have an original (been in the collection for many, many years), but it struck me that you do not see many of them in photos or real life.

So, who got them and how common are they?

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Used in very small numbers and prone to fall off when used. Ive not come across any photo's of its use in action.
but ive some footage of Airborne troops (Pre Normandy ) armed with MkII stens with it attached in training.

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Thanks Pete.
So, part two of this question;

A friend in Sweden who is putting together an infantry set-up asked the question "would a cpl/sgt in late 44/early 45 armed with a MKII sten have a bayonet?"

It suddenly struck me that I do not know.

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If you do have an original it is a very rare thing.

They have been making reproductions for decades.


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The most detailed information on these that I know of is in 'Spirit of the Pike' by Graham Priest. I had a quick flick through last night and it contains information on numbers made, manufacturers and markings. But there's nothing significant on who they were issued to and when and no contemporary pictures of them in use.

As mentioned, the real thing is very rare and they've made repros for a long time. They were also crudely made in the first place, so its very difficult to tell an old and correctly made repro from an original. This got discussed last year on the Milsurps forum:

http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=16947

As for "would a cpl/sgt in late 44/early 45 armed with a MKII sten have a bayonet?". I'd have said it was pretty unlikely.

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I'm fairly certain they are all MkV Stens. The MkII Sten bayonet won't fit on the barrel of a MkV because the lugs for the No.4 bayonet get in the way.

But I could easily believe that some Paras could have been issued with MkII Stens and bayonets prior to issue of the MkV.

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REME 245 wrote:
If you do have an original it is a very rare thing.


I do, and it is :)

Many thanks for the info guys.


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Nice find! :D
Found a still from a film of airborne troops in training (Possibly the one 'Trunks' was talking about. Shows the bayonet on a Mk.2 and also interestingly seems to show a sort of sten leg bag.
Hope this helps. As to issue in action, I would not know.
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Yep thats the film footage of airborne troops in training i was talking about.

The Picture with the prisoner is a series of photos of a Patrol from B coy 2 Para in the area of the bridge and clearly show MkV stens with No4 Bayonets in use. The odd MkII sten was in use at Arnhem But ive come across no evidence of the MkII bayonet in use by that time. By late 44/45 the Sten MkIII was more common sight in use by normal Infantry and had no fitting for a bayonet.
So the chance of seeing the bayonet in use was very small as due to the less amout of use of the MkII. Pis ive seen of Canadian troops with MkII's show the No4 bayonet carried on there webbing or not at all.

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dave1SLANR wrote:
Hi
came across this photo Arnhem with prisoner , I had a word with an old friend of mine ex 1st Airborne who was captured at Arnhem asked him about the sten bayonet, (won't repeat his exact words) :) but he said they were issued to them but were useless, as mentioned they fell off , the other thing he said was "you tried not to get that close to use em" laughed when he said it.
Hope its of some help.
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Thats a great picture, look at the posing matinee idol on the right, the guy in the background with his pipe, the tiny chap in the front, the casual attitude of the German POW, no fear that his captors are going to act poorly towards him, and just in frame on the left the hulking frame of the platoon's "big verne "


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I've spent the last half hour going through this. I've started a new thread about the unknown weapon that had been mentioned in viewtopic.php?f=120&t=65545

I've also tidied, deleted and moved other posts to make it readable.

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