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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:38 pm 
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Well i dont do US stuff normally (how many times have i said that already! and when am i gonna admit im getting the American bug :wink: )

a freind and I have decided for a few small events we would like to do something different and so have decided we would like to depict a M1A1 Bazooka team either 4th div, or one of US units in N-Africa.

Anyhow firstly what differences if any is there in kit carried by the team - Secondly the bazooka gunner, would he have a secondary weapon (carbine?) or not - Thirdly how many rounds would they carry for the Bazooka and lastly - What sort of cleaning procedures would you have on a bazooka if that makes sense?

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Oh and...... has anyone seen or has one of WPGs repro bazookas they look very good.

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M1A1 … Jonny Heyworth… I have one, can’t fault it…

(On the recoilless front I have an M18 as well)

Rounds as many as you can carry… the ‘rounds’ bag holds 3 in transit tubes (again JH for tubes)…

Me two bags and about 18 tubes some opened and discarded some open with a ‘ready’ round; others bagged and ready to move… rounds 1 or 2 … one ready and one in use…

No cleaning kit as such, no ram rod no brush on a pole or cord on other item, (unless someone knows better, so never say No) don’t last that long in combat, batteries dead/lost, out of rounds, just too dam long and heavy to carry so you chuck it when the sgt is not looking…

Gunners mate… M1 Garand you need to defend your mate, load the round and duck… then run because that big puff of smoke will bring every Mg42 down on you….

mmmmmmmmm

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this is probably me having a stupid moment, but can you carry '18' rounds realistically, or is that including the assistant? as i would assume thats a fair bit of weight?

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Carry an M1 Rifle as well as the Bazooka. You're just a glorified Rifleman. M1 Carbine at a push.

The Assistants were supposed to carry one (or sometimes two) 3-round bazooka rocket bags (or the open satchel type M1 Ammunition Bags depending on the date you're portraying).

If doing N. Africa, you'll probably need the early M1 Bazooka, not the M1A1.

Cheers,
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1.5kg per round....

maths... mmmmmmmmmmmmmm :?

mmmmm

27kg...... between 2.... 13.5kg each in 3 bags....

Oh and 8kg for the launcher....

on and the M1 Garand....

Heavy... mmm

Cumbersome... yes

Don't forget others help carry the ammo as well... they just chuck it at you when you stop

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For that fun in the sun look....


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What no blanket....

put that man on a charge...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYnMn5DYD5A

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would bazooka ops/assistants used the m2 vest?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 15:16 pm 
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would bazooka ops/assistants used the m2 vest?


BAZOOKA CREWS WHERE OFTEN ATACHED TO THE 30 CAL TEAMS. AND THE m2 COULD HOLD A FEW ROUNDS IN THE BACK, BUT NOT MUCH GOOD IN THE FRONT, ROCKETS FINES UP THE NOSE AND ALL THAT

THE ROCKET BAGS ARE VERY USEFUL, I HAVE SSEN A GUY WITH 2 OF THESE BAGS OVER THE SHOULDERS WITH AT MOST 10 ROUNDS IN EACH, THEN CHUCKED THE CARDBOARD TUBES ABD RAMMED THE ROCKETS IN


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The above photo shows the M2 vest.... Sicily…

You see the ‘bazooka’ bags more in and after Normandy

Rockets with or without tubes as Wayne says rammed in….

and single rds in tubes stuffed into/under webbing...

as with 30cal ammo the whole squad could be 'volunteered' to carry one or more rds

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Wait till you see the whites of their eye…

Front rank ready…..

Volley fire commence….

Ok super bazooka and not the M1A1…. But what the hell… would make a good display….


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Note.... the man in the pic above is armed with an M1 Rifle as well as the M1A1 Bazooka (it's taken in France in 1944 during the latter stage of the Normandy breakout IIRC).

Yes M2 Ammo vest could be used, but as Wayne has said, they're not exactly the most comfortable things to wear with Bazooka Rockets in the front pocket - that 505th pic is a bit misleading as well - the guy would not have been jumping with an M2 ammo vest (how could he? No legs Bags in use at that point...) - the ammo would have ended up in a A-5 Drop Canister roll, probably together with the Bazooka itself.

The standard carrier in use in North Africa is the M1 Ammunition Bag (the open satchel one I mentioned above). The M6 Rocket Bag comes in later....

Cheers,
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Question on that kit layout...

Is that a bandoleer beneath the grenades? If so were they carrying Carbine magazines in bandoleers at this point?

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