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Hello, have found on this photo the fellow second from left has an additional pocket on his left leg. Does anyone know which unit had this modification?
I know the South Staffs had a poachers pocket in the back of the Dennison, and he does appear to be carrying a lot of extra kit.
I think they are an Airlanding Unit as he has a strap attached to his
Small Pack, for carrying on his side when on the glider.
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These men are 1st Battalion the Parachute Regiment - I think in the "then and Now" book they are named - the corporal having died a couple of days later. I think the added pockets are from the oversmock.

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Many Thanks Alistair, still saving for those 2 books, worth having but out of my budget at the moment!!

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Yes there 1st Battalion, the guy in the middle with fag, (he didnt smoke, did it for photo) was at Oosterbeek last year, he and his wife missed the last bus back into arnhem one night so my mate and myself gave them a lift, they live in Birmingham,

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agree we Alister.

The Corporal is Alfred Reynolds and his Bren Gun Section in R Company 1st Bn Para rgt. Reynolds died of wounds couple of days later after being hit as 1 Para tried to advance north of The Amsterdamseweg.


the pocket does make out to be from the over smock.

Also 1 para where not the only ones to make alterations to kit. some members of B coy 2 para added Denison pockes to there BD trousers. and a series of photo's by a dutchman called Sam presser back this up.

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Denison pockets to BD trousers sounds interesting, do you know where i can view/see Sam Presser's photos? I have the B Company Arrived books, shame his photo's didnt make it in.

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BUT I would like to add, modifications were pretty unique and non-standard, we arn't yanks so lets not get out the sewing kits just yet. Opening up the arse of your smock into a poachers pouch is a good and justified way of increasing carrying capacity though, I'd recommend that. Mind you I was reading that in one of the Para Bns. some men sewed ammo bandoliers into the bottoms of their smocks for carrying extra ammo on a jump, hmmm, NO! NO! MUST resist desire to go all 'Band of Brothers' with kit mods., musn't give in, attraction of impractical pockets growing, growing, Heeeeelllllllllpppppppppppppp!!!!!!!

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All mods are purely out of interest, as an ex Para i changed all sorts of pockets, pouches and pieces to allow more ammo, radio equipment, food, etc. I like to know what the wartime guys did as i see lots of mods that are unique to different Regiments, Battalions, etc, and i just have to know what they are for!! Haha!

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Agree and should have add what Jon is going on about.


The Sam Presser pictures are in the B Company arrived book!

page 84 showing Sgt Larry Ansell 6 platoon and members of his section he has the pockets added to his BD trousers so does the bloke next to him.

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Ah,, will that will be the photo with the German prisoner in it? With Pvt Bernard Salt? I always thought the chap on the right with the Sten Gun looks like Errol Flynn! Thanks for your help, i like to find out everything bout everything!! Hehe

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thats the one and great series of picture they are to. also taken by Presser is the photo that of Capt Killick wearing the tankers holster with a luger in it (the Only photo ive seen of a bloke wearing one at Arnhem).

And ive seen some Airborne Re-enactors wear them. and the always say 'OH i saw it in a photo of a bloke at Arnhem wearing one'

but when you ask them what unit they are doing they never say the unit killick was with!

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Capt Killick was Provost wasnt he? I believe the patrol was to find a missing man, who had already died and been buried?

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Capt J.E Killick was OC 89th Feild Security Section Intelligence Corps. the Patrol he led was was to try and see and make contact withe the rest of the division making there way to the bridge and he also wanted to try and find two men from killicks own unit left around near the pontoon bridge.

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From what I recall the man was being buried at around the time the picture was taken.

On the Arnhem Battle Research Group (ABRG) site we have already had a bit of a discussion about several interesting details of the picture - the thread is at http://f16.parsimony.net/forum28518/messages/3747.htm

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modifications by the paras seemed to be a "norm " as i have come accross pics and verbal evidence to say many pockets were moved .
also added .

allthough im not saying do it .

but then again should we not show the public it was done .
if not we will have to resort to the pics and tell em it was done .
then at some stage the knowledge will fade away .

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If we started doing that then everyone will. and then it would look SO farby. A rule many of us have in Recce,Vera,Montys men is Uniformality (sp) we all look the same in the terms of kit. No Adaptions to kit and our pet hate sentance is

'Oh but i saw it in a photo and he had that done or carried that etc '

and our Answer to that is 'Is it a photo of your unit you are doing'

and 9 times out of ten we get NO,

If it was 1 photo of a unit from the unit you do. don't do it as thats one bloke out of so many. if there was say a whole load of photos of more than one bloke in the unit your doing adaptions to kit then do it you as you have the evidence. but don't go the the single photo of one bloke thinking they all did it.

Take the photo that Sgt Lowdon posted for example. in the photo you see one chap the cpl with the adaption to the BD trousers. only he has done that not the others ,so thats one chap out of the 358 that went into Arnhem from 1 para to have known to have done this. and this is the only photo of a bloke in 1 Para from what info and i have seen to do this.

the other photos i have seen of 1 para don't show this adaption. so the evidence and look to have to do it right would lean more towards the chaps that haven't .

it may look gucci and spanky but you have to sit down and think. what you want to portray and get right in your look within the unit. and that photo may look nice and the kit is nice but i may not be the unit you are doing. thats why in Recce,vera, Montys men we have strict kit regs to follow to get the same look we want.

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