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Author:  easy-co [ Mon Jul 09, 2007 21:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Unusual Band On Forward Woodwork On M1A1 Tommy.

A Few years back my cousin bought an M1A1 Thompson from JP Deacts at Beltring and on it was an unusual band around the very front of the forward grip. It's something i'd never ever seen before, everyone who see's it comments on having never seen one before, and despite literally years of attempting to find photos that show it's existance on other Thompsons we've come up with nothing.

Was this a factory modification that is simply rare, or is it more likely to be a field modification? Which ever, it has been professionally done.

The width of the band, and the overall look resembles the Type 1 Belly band for the Carbine, but i feel that it is too big to have taken from a carbine and added to the Tommy. See pictures.

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The metal seems to have aged with the remainder of the gun and judging by the look of it when it was first removed, and the grime underneath i'd say it had been there a long long time.

Any Comments?

Bez

Author:  GICOP [ Mon Jul 09, 2007 21:45 pm ]
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Hi Bez

Here's a picture of the one that came with my M1928A1, exactly the same as your cousin's.

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Cheers

Martyn

Author:  30thcammo [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:38 am ]
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That's a nice looking Thompson.

Author:  GICOP [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:12 am ]
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I know a bloke who has got one just like it :wink:

Author:  30thcammo [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:34 am ]
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I wonder who that is. 8)

Author:  George [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 13:10 pm ]
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A good way of avoiding the usual rattling on that grip... Never seen it before though.

George

Author:  30thcammo [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 23:01 pm ]
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It is in the American Thunder Book.

Author:  George [ Wed Jul 11, 2007 17:09 pm ]
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30thcammo wrote:
It is in the American Thunder Book.


Thanks for the info, mate.

George

Author:  akc5150 [ Sat Sep 20, 2008 14:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Unusual Band On Forward Woodwork On M1A1 Tommy.

If you take a close look at some of the M1A1's in Kelly's Heroes they have the same band. I did read something about it being to stop the foregrip coming lose, but don't know if it was factory fitted or not.

Author:  2ad82recon [ Sat Sep 20, 2008 16:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Unusual Band On Forward Woodwork On M1A1 Tommy.

Yes it was a modification ...it was a re enforcing band for the foregrip.
Correct US ordnance dept modification not a post war foreign mod

Regards

Lloyd

Author:  BaggyPants [ Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Unusual Band On Forward Woodwork On M1A1 Tommy.

Just an update on this subject. The band was originally for use on the later M1A1 Thompsons, because the grip mount on these, which was a single solid steel piece on all models up to and including the earlier M1A1 (and interchangable on them all), was of a three piece riveted construction to make them even cheaper to produce. One of the rivet holes is just in front of the point where the grip mount is held in place by the barrel, making it weak. With this cheaper mount, a good tug on the sling could bend the grip mount down and way from the barrel. This band stopped that happening. Nowadays they are found on some earlier 1928A1, M1 and early M1A1 models which have had the grip mount replaced with the inferior version post-war. If your Thompson has the single piece steel grip mount, there is no need at all for the retaining band.

Author:  2ad82recon [ Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Unusual Band On Forward Woodwork On M1A1 Tommy.

Bryn..guys...thanks for ressurecting this post..my M1A1 Thompson has evidence that it had this re enforcing band fitted to it at some stage...any ideas where to get one from..?
Keep looking on EBad..with no joy...so any ideas ?

Regards

Lloyd

Author:  BaggyPants [ Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Unusual Band On Forward Woodwork On M1A1 Tommy.

Take the front grip off, Lloyd. If the mount is solid then your Thompson never had the band and the grip is a replacement, probably put on from another weapon when they were all put through a mass maintenance programme, pretty much like the USSR did with the captured german kit. Have you tried SARCO, Northridge and Marstar?

Author:  2ad82recon [ Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Unusual Band On Forward Woodwork On M1A1 Tommy.

Ah fair point Bryn mate...the front grip shows the "depression" and distortion of the wood where the grip once was ya see and is cracked...so it had one on there "originally".

Will look em up...cheers mukka...did you recive the payment for the TSMG rod ?

Regards

Lloyd

Author:  BaggyPants [ Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Unusual Band On Forward Woodwork On M1A1 Tommy.

Yes, mate, thank you. It'll be posted tomorrow.

The front grip on my M1 (overstamped A1) has a very, very faint trace of having a band fitted, but it's obviously not original to the weapon as it has the solid mount.

Author:  BaggyPants [ Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Unusual Band On Forward Woodwork On M1A1 Tommy.

Just a thought, Lloyd, but if your M1A1 has the solid mount, and never had the band in its original state, it might be better and easier to source a replacement wooden grip.

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