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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 21:11 pm 
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Can anyone please confirm if i am correct in the following.....???

The M1 carbine, ( post war version) was NOT fitted with the bayonet lug.?

Also, if this is the case, when exactly were the bayonet attachments removed from manufacture..??

I have an M1 carbine and i am struggling to ascertain it's provenance.?
I am unsure of it's age due to a number of features which don't quite add up...??

There's no bayonet attachment which in my understanding denotes a post - war version, however, the top of the stock is wooden which is synomynous with war dated versions as post war were pressed vented metal..!!

Please someone assuage my anguish..??

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Hi Johnny no sod it .......What do you need to know ? apparently i am a font of all carbine knowledge.

What is the maker and serial number mate that will give me a start for month and year of manufacture

then we can start on what SHOULD be on it and what shouldnt because carbines are very complex its all about maker and serial number...look behind the rear sight in front of the recoil plate

The Type 3 barrel band (or bayonet lug) was standardised in November 1944 but NOT fitted to carbines until very VERY late in the war...so generally a standard WW2 carbine will NOT be fitted with a bayonet lug although nearly ALL post war armory rebuild carbines were fitted with all the latest features.

Nearly all accpted standardised WW2 features include Type 1 or 1a "flip sight"...Type 1 or 1A or Type 2 barrel band depending on maker and serial number.......2 rivet handguard (unless its a late Winchester or Inland October 1944)........and a Type 1 to 4 mag catch and a "flat " bolt although Inlands had a round bolt from around August 1944.

I gotta get out more..:-)

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OH and a "push" button safety..:-)

Jeez i nearly forgot that bit

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Would this not be better in the "u.s weapons" section?.. :roll:


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Also Johnny it should not have a "pot bellied" stock on it .........the bottom of the stock in front of the magazine well should be flat to the raise of the wrist near the barrel Band retaining pin also next to the bolt there shouldnt be a slot..this was for the selective fire lever attributed to the M2 carbine..

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Would this not be better in the "u.s weapons" section?.. :roll:


Yes and now moved. :D

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Gee thanks Wullie.......:-)

So Jonny....what have you actually got ?..any further info details on this Carbine buddy

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Hi mate,

Yes it appears that you're right and what i actually have is a post war dated Korean job with wooden top stock to make it look original...??

Bit hacked off but i should have done my research more before i bought..Still, it looks good and i'll continue to look for an M1A1 folding stock in the meantime...

anyone out there got one to sell or any pointers to anyone who might..............???????

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Jonny.......i think actually you should post this up....so we can use it as reference points so people can identify a right and wrong one...like a quick ID guide.

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Jonny wrote:
Can anyone please confirm if i am correct in the following.....???

There's no bayonet attachment which in my understanding denotes a post - war version, however, the top of the stock is wooden which is synomynous with war dated versions as post war were pressed vented metal..!!

Please someone assuage my anguish..??

I believe that the pressed metal top to the forestock was in fact for the Ivor Johnson Carbine - AFAIK it never made it to the Military version

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LLoyd,

just got in fella,
sorry for delayed response.

YES..!! You're quite right, i think any potential buyers should be aware and to do their homework before making this purchase.
Don't get me wrong, i love my carbine, it looks great but sadly is NOT war dated so it's like having a Hotchkiss instead of a Willys when in Normandy..!!

Loads of Hotchkiss lovers sharpening their bayonets now..!!!

Anyway, post it, the details, how mate..?? I'm a novice to this site mate..??

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i love my carbine, it looks great but sadly is NOT war dated so it's like having a Hotchkiss instead of a Willys when in Normandy..!!

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OUCH !!!!!.......... :shock: :wink: :roll: :roll: ......

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Jonny sorry to say mate its not even a wartime made carbine........thanks for taking my postings and the advice given in the right manner and not getting all "pi$$y" like some that just wont listen and wont accept fact.

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No worries mate, all advice is greatly received..!!
NO pi**y pants here dude..!!!

Incidentally, if you get 5 take a look at my post re M1A1 folding stocks and give me your feedback to my requests if you can.

Cheers.

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