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Author:  arnhem44mad [ Mon Oct 01, 2012 18:40 pm ]
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Will just cover the bag with two black bin bags, will also take deac cert and have id with me. Just incase.

Author:  The_Commander [ Mon Oct 01, 2012 18:43 pm ]
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i had contemplated buying an SMLE bag from SOF.

Author:  Doctor Bob [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 17:37 pm ]
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How about phoning the local police for advice on this? As long as you don't get a 'jobsworth' who doesn't know the answer so just says -'ooh, you can't do that mate'. I think it's worth a go to get the definitive legal position.

Having said all that, the general consensus is that it is perfectly legal to carry your (covered up) deac, but what you put it in is the subjective bit.
If it's disguised, you minimise the chances if 'alarming' a MOP and will probably have an uneventful journey.
If not disguised, someone might get jumpy and you may be delayed while the police attend and investigate.

Author:  lordduvet [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 17:45 pm ]
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Doctor Bob wrote:
How about phoning the local police for advice on this? As long as you don't get a 'jobsworth' who doesn't know the answer so just says -'ooh, you can't do that mate'. I think it's worth a go to get the definitive legal position.



i wouldn't make that call from a traceable number,,,,,,,,,,,,, unless you have a need for personal visit and free inventory of your possession plus free breakfast.
you have almost ZERO chance of not getting a "jobsworth" if you mention firearms, the very nature of the subject means HS jumps in. I've discovered that the standard operating procedures was that only a Tazer equipped unit could to visit our house when the neighbour complained about parking. Just in case.

I can almost guarentee that whoever answers the phone is going to tell you to not carry a firearm shaped thing in public, and if they did say down the phone is was OK, they'd never admit to saying it at your trial/inquiry/coroners court hearing.

Author:  Doctor Bob [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 18:27 pm ]
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arnhem44mad wrote:
Can you travel on a train with a deactivated weapon if it is in a bag?



I've been surfing the net on this and like a lot of things the answer seems to be vague.

I stumbled across some 'conditions of carriage' for National Rail and it said that 'unloaded and loaded guns cannot be carried'.
Is a deac rifle an 'unloaded gun'?

Have a look at page 25. It does say they can give 'individual dispensation' i.e. make exceptions.

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/ga ... /NRCOC.pdf

Author:  peregrinvs [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 18:44 pm ]
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Doctor Bob wrote:
I stumbled across some 'conditions of carriage' for National Rail and it said that 'unloaded and loaded guns cannot be carried'.
Is a deac rifle an 'unloaded gun'?

I suppose it is in a literal sense. But by 'gun' do they mean 'gun shaped object', or do they mean a firearm - using the word 'firearm' in it's legal sense. Deacts and RIFs are 'guns', but they are not 'firearms'.

They may mean any 'gun shaped object', or it may just be vague/poor wording. There's a lot of it about.

Author:  CaptainAllen87 [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:06 am ]
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He got stopped by the BTP on a station asked him what was in the bag he told him and showed him the deca cert and the copper aske to have a look at it and took him away and looked at it and said yep ok thats fine so really if you do it with common sence you will be fine

Author:  britishwardog [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:07 am ]
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Exactly..use common sense, don't travel on public transport with such items unless you have no other choice and if you do take a copy of the deact cert with you, however if travelling with an air soft smg or other RIF etc maybe carry it in the box it came in along with any / all documentation you have for it, if you don't have any paperwork don't travel with it on public transport-it's asking for trouble, possibly of the most lethal type!.

Author:  BedsnHerts [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:25 pm ]
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peregrinvs wrote:
Doctor Bob wrote:
I stumbled across some 'conditions of carriage' for National Rail and it said that 'unloaded and loaded guns cannot be carried'.
Is a deac rifle an 'unloaded gun'?

I suppose it is in a literal sense. But by 'gun' do they mean 'gun shaped object', or do they mean a firearm - using the word 'firearm' in it's legal sense. Deacts and RIFs are 'guns', but they are not 'firearms'.

They may mean any 'gun shaped object', or it may just be vague/poor wording. There's a lot of it about.


When I asked SouthWest Trains they broadened the remit to "anything likely to cause alarm or distress to other passengers" :roll:
I guess that includes my two kids...

Author:  lordduvet [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 14:13 pm ]
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its rather obvious then isn't

you can carry anything on the railway or in public until the day you get caught.

Author:  jw [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 14:39 pm ]
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I got a letter from the head of customer service for the Woking-Heathrow rail-air coach service to show to the driver if queried saying it was OK with the company for me to carry my gun on the coach. Gun was in a locked ski box and nothing was said

Author:  recce_shag [ Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:18 am ]
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JWs post is correct. Visit the station manager at one of the big station or BTP office and get a headed letter from them giving you permission. This covers you under the railway Bylaws (which I have some knowledge of). I have written a few headed letters for re-enactor with swords passing through my station. All I request is some sort of proof they are a re-enactor (membership card etc). I can only speak from a railway point of view though...

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